YTSEJAM Digest 901 Today's Topics: 1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 900 by email_address_removed 2) Re: Marillion info by email_address_removed.co.uk (Mark Tiplady) 3) just stuff... by zebrowski steven 4) Drummer Not Important?!?! by email_address_removed 5) Re: Bohemian Rahpsody (sp?) by email_address_removed (Michael Burstin) 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 900 by email_address_removed 7) My $0.02 by euan@waikato.ac.nz 8) Re: Secret Message on Awake by email_address_removed 9) Mike's Drumming...? by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 3:23:23 -0700 (PDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 900 Message-ID: OK, flame on, but I must admit taht Extreme is my favorite band. Trust me, this is a difficult thing to admit on the ytsejam list. However, III sides blew me away when I first heard it, moe so that my first hearing of I & W or Awake. Any opiions of Waiting for theunchline out there. I found it quite good considering the impossibility of following up III Sides. I have heard a few mentions of Extreme out there, and they are a relatively obscure band, even with the top ten hit. Any news on them from fans on the list? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 12:33 BST-1 From: email_address_removed.co.uk (Mark Tiplady) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Marillion info Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dale, > I was in a new/used record store tonight and saw a couple CDs by >Marillion. I know a lot of y'all are rather fond of this band, so you >may be able to help. I am relatively unfamiliar with them (I've heard >of them, but haven't HEARD them). My first question - what do they >sound like? I'm not going to ask if they're any good because I know >I'll get a positive response form most of you. I was wondering, though >about the CDs I saw. The title of the first one I saw escapes me, but >it had something to do with the tears of a jester, or something like >that. It was used, and the price on it was about 3 or 4 dollars. The >other CD I saw was a promo disc (w/no cover) for "Brave." it was 3 >dollars, I think. Are these two CDs worth it? If I only get one, >which one is better? I am rather short of cash, so I don't want to >waste my money, but good music is certainly worth some cash (and, well, >these two are dirt cheap). Anyway, I digress. Thanks in advance for >your help. God bless. If I were you I'd get both of them if they're going that cheap. Script For A Jester's Tear is Marillion's first album, released way back in 1982. It may suffer from poor production but there are some stunning songs on there, esp. Forgotten Sons, Chelsea Monday and The Web. This album will give you a good idea of what Marillion sounded like in there first incarnation, with Fish on lead vocals. At this time they were very much progressive rock a la Genesis (although IMO better) with long, moody pieces, excellently played. The guitar solos on Chelsea Monday are worth the purchase price alone (Steve Rothery is plays possibly the most emotional guitar I've ever heard). Forgotten Sons still sends shivers down my spine even now. Brave is the finest of the Post-Fish albums, a return to form after the 'poppier' sound of Holidays In Eden. Brave is 70+ minutes of sheer heaven. Released last year, it's a concept album based on a newscast Steve Hogarth (the new singer) heard about an amnesiac girl found wandering on a bridge. The album speculates on what events in her life brought her to this point. It's kinda hard to categorise Marillion these days because they have their own sound now. My best advice is just to take a chance, especially at those prices :) So, basically, if you get both discs you'll get a good idea of both eras of the band. Sorry to go on so much but Marillion are probably my favourite band of all time (yes, even more so than DT). If you do go ahead and get them I'd love to know what you think. Mark. '...your arms cover me like a blanket, maybe that's all that I need...' Kevin Moore. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven To: email_address_removed Subject: just stuff... Message-ID: I KNEW that the lyrics for Don't Look Past Me were written by Kev! Something about them just has his touch, especially the line "...when someone says my heart needs lifting don't ask how come--ask how high..." I'd been arguing this to people who said JP wrote them for quite a while. Thanks for the update, AirDance. Crewcut? Somehow I'm not surprised... :) That sucks about Fates Warning. I can't believe they're gonna do an album without their GOOD guitar player or their bass player. I guess Jim will play the bass. Or, maybe Ray will pick it up and they'll become the new "power trio" like Rush. Eeeeh...probably not. Oh, well. That's it for now... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite. | __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right." |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU |___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have Steve Zebrowski email_address_removed thought this was the worst..." Joe Jackson, Hometown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:10:31 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Drummer Not Important?!?! Message-ID: Whoa!!!! In Ytsejam #899, some posted his idea that the drummer's role in a prog band is not as important as the singers. I'll grant you that the singer as a frontman has a lot to do with the band's apperance and overall sound DURING the vocal parts. But as is so common in prog music, there are long passages where is singer's part is to chug Gatorade. The drummer is almost always playing. An excellent example of how much influence the drummer has on the feel of the music is none other than the "Puppies on Acid" intro in "The Mirror". A few months back, it was feverishly debated on just how to count this passage. The amazing thing is is that the guitar and bass are just chunking away on the 3 16th notes, 1 16th note rest idea for the entire intro, but the drums change feel 3 times giving the impression that the guitars are doing something weird. THis is but one example of how the drummer affects the music. Anyone who's played in a band had either heard or found out the hard way this simple little rule: A BAND IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS DRUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reason of course is that the drummer IS the foundation. And it is often MUCH harder than one would think to keep a steady beat (Especially on those 9/8 passages DT is so famous for...listen to the drums on TTT right after the Italian part...CRAZY!!) On the other hand, a band can have an awful singer, but still kick! Cynic is a great example of a great band, but piss poor singer. ANYWAY!! I'm not trying to start a flame war, but just thought I'd give MY opinion! Any other thoughts? Spuds! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:22:59 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Michael Burstin) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bohemian Rahpsody (sp?) Message-ID: >From: Anderson/Noah Nordrum >Subject: DT cover > >I was listening to the radio the other day and heard a kick ass song that >I had temporaroly forgotten about. "Bohemeon(?) Rapsody" by Queen. DT >must have been influenced by Queen, and having a keyboard player thay >could do a VERY wicked cover of that song. What do you guys think. Maybe >if we say enough times how cool that would be, since JP and possibly >other gods are online, they might do it live and we can get a recording >of it. Listen to the song. It's perfect for them. > Well, don't know if there has been a reply yet... but your begging is too late... *grin* They have already done a cover of it at least twice, maybe more. Once on their all instrumental show at Sundance before James was signed, and they did it on the cover gig at Ronnie Scotts... -- +----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | Dream Theater | | Its what decides if you'll endure the pain that we | Images & Words | | all feel. The way your heart beats makes all the +-----------------+ | difference. In LEARNING TO LIVE | Michael Burstin | +----------------------------------------------------+-----------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:42:13 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 900 Message-ID: III sides to every story is in my opinion the best album I had ever heard until I bought I&W about a month later. I listened to III sides and practiced every lick and nuance of Gary's voice until that album was a part of my very being. Never before that had an album summed up exactly what I felt about the world so precisely. I'm glad someone else thinks it was a great work and not just pretentious piece of fluff with samples. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:09:29 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: My $0.02 Message-ID: The most important person in a band? Well, I'd say either the drummer or the singer. I see a lot of bands play (I work in a bar) and a good feel drummer works wonders. I really cannot stand drumming which is uninspired and lifeless and believe me when I say I see a lot of them. Singing is also very important. It makes the music accessable to the ordinary masses who "remain misled". I've seen really awesome bands play who have terrible vocals and people leave or ignore them. After all that rambling, I guess it boils down to what you want to achieve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 22:42:38 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Secret Message on Awake Message-ID: Since Mike Portnoy isn't an AOL subscriber, I find it hard to believe myself. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 01:59:06 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Mike's Drumming...? Message-ID: Hey have you guys ever noticed how often MP does this...Generically in 4/4, on the two beat he will hit the snare once and on the four beat he hits it twice. Just an observation...I guess its the Mike Portnoy signature snare lick! Also, have the jams been extremely short lately? My server just got SLIP access like 1/2 a week ago and since then I have been getting only about 10 peices of mail which are Jam posts (I dont get it in digest mode). Please fill me in on this one! I dont want to miss anything!!!! Take the time, ____________________________________________________________________________ "...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance, eternal...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the second without end...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the dance of eternity" (John Petrucci of Dream Theater) Trey Allen --- email_address_removed --- http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 901 *************************