YTSEJAM Digest 897 Today's Topics: 1) Stuff by email_address_removed 2) Yep, another Cygnus update! by Michael Bahr 3) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 895 by email_address_removed 4) DT's next single by email_address_removed 5) Re: Jack of all trades & master of none by "Hitchcock's Other Eye" 6) Re: prog bands in movies by Tymoteusz Altman 7) Re: #2(2) YTSEJAM digest 895 by email_address_removed 8) ANYONE FROM CT GOING TO DT. IN PROVIDENCE? by CCSU '95 ALUMNI QUINNIPIAC LAW '98 9) Kevin Moore's Summer Vacation by email_address_removed 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 by Michael Van Opstall 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 by Michael Van Opstall 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 by Andrew Keegan 13) Re: prog bands in movies by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 14) various crap... by email_address_removed (Monty Newberry ) 15) one more thing... by email_address_removed (Monty Newberry ) 16) Re: Kevin Moore's Summer Vacation by Stephen Bajzek 17) Relating to lyrics (LONG rant, sorry) by email_address_removed (Bracken Odiorne) 18) Dream Theater/Queensryche DAT offer by "Brian V. Cox" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 20:28:01 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff Message-ID: Analysis and comparison doesnt's subtract from how one appreciates music. The only purpose it can serve is to deepen your understanding and respect for the music. If I say that I like John Petrucci better than Mike Portnoy, it doesn't say much. But if I say that I like Petrucci better because I find his talent is more outstanding and rare in the musical field, whereas if I want to hear drums, all I have to do is listen to Peart, who I would say is quite a bit more talented, then that will make a Portnoy-appreciater think about why he/she likes Michael Portnoy, in order to defend him. If I say that 'Eve' has polly rhythm all over it, mainly in the drums and 'piano' sound, which is a very basic observation, then the next time the reader listens to 'Eve', he/she might notice the polly rhythm and go 'wow! I never noticed that. It sounds really cool!' And better yet, he/she might try to learn the piece, and somehow, the knowledge of the polly rhythm would help them to learn the piece. They might say "wow! so that's what he's doing there!' Sometimes it is hard to duplicate a sound until you know beforehand what it is that they are playing, and maybe even why they are playing it. Some pieces, like WfS are not easy, because so many things are happening at the same time in one instrument, because all the lines are subtly twined together. I can't play it yet, but if somebody told me what he was doing in the harmonies underneath the principal harmony and melody, then that would probably enable me to play it. That in itself would make the Ytsejam worthwhile to pay attention to. As for flames, there are two kinds. There is the flame that someone gives off because they have been offended, or because someone has been rude or not listening. This is usually in response to a flame. The other kind is where someone just feels the need to be heard or to enforce their opinion on another person. I won't make judgements on any specific person, but I would say that unless you are defending something, or unveiling something about someone, don't flame. Even under those circumstances, there are more subtle ways to go about it. Impassioned flames are only for use under extremes circumstances, of which we've seen only a couple. As for lyrics, I think that Dream Theater's are tops. In other bands, I really don't care much how good they are, but in a band that I listen to all the time (DT, Rush, PF, etc.), I would be very, very, very distressed if the lyrics started to suck. Lastly, I noticed that all of my friends that like Rush, really like Dream Theater. But not all of my friends that like Dream Theater like Rush. Isn't that wierd? All of my Dream Theater- liking friends do like Pink Floyd, though. -Jun-Dai Bates ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:56:07 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Yep, another Cygnus update! Message-ID: CYGNUS CD PROJECT UPDATE / SUBCONSCIOUS CONCLUSION ACOUSTIC DREAMS UPDATE current to 7/19/95 This is an update on the status of orders and such things on the Rush "Cygnus" CD... made available exclusively to the members of the Ytsejam list before anybody else. :) EVEN QUICKER UPDATE: I am in a position to produce it immediately upon the receipt of my supplies order. Thanks guys! I'm going to spend the interim getting Acoustic Dreams together. EXPECTED DELIVERY DATE: Yes, I was given one. I will have all I need to begin CD shipments by 7/30/95, I am assured by my supplier. Here's hoping! They said they're trying to get it to me by the _beginning_ of next week (7/24) but gave me the 7/30 estimate to be on the safe side. Here's the no-wait address and cost. Read on for further info on the CD. $23 check, money order, or cashier's check/traveler's cheque to: Michael Bahr 3175 N. Price Rd. #1066 Chandler, AZ 85224 PLEASE SPECIFY that it's Cygnus you want. I do a lot of mailing and may not realize what it is that's being purchased. QUICKIE UPDATE: Well, we're still just waiting on delivery, that's all... everything else is done. I have mailing packets, stamped and addressed to the first 60 or so orders, sitting open like baby sparrows, waiting to be fed a CD and sent. :) ACOUSTIC DREAMS: Also known as Dream Theater Unplugged. I have begun work on this already and will begin taking orders for it shortly, possibly when the shipments of Cygnus are in (why have two pre-order things going at once...) or earlier if you all want. More info on this CD in a moment. SUBCONSCIOUS: The CDs are finally _gone_. Every copy has been sold. I've even sold my own personal extra copies. I can't believe this was so popular! Will Subconscious ever be made again? Unless some Italian company copies it, I am sorry to say it will not. One of the explicit conditions I set forth when I made the disc was that it would be very special and limited, and I would be breaking my confidence with the people who have bought it under the understanding it would be a unique, rare release. I swear I don't mean to make people miss out... but a promise is a promise. Would people trust me when I say "get it now" if they could get it a year later? I calculate not. :) THANKS EVERYONE for being a part of this! You all RULE! :) DISCLAIMER: Cygnus falls into a grey area under law as an uncopyrighted recording produced in such a manner that at least one facet of the production occurs in a country (namely Italy) in which it is legal to do so. In the USA, it is permissible to sell used import CDs only if they are labeled as such. This is such a CD. Be aware that the various powers-that-be are collecting nothing for this. Of course, that's all cover-my-butt lawyerspeak. I hope you all will want to be a part of this. I make roughly minimum wage doing it, so you know I'm not out to scam you. In all humility, I appeal to anyone who might not think too kindly of my endeavor, and ask that they might give me the benefit of the doubt on this one. Friends? :) 1. What the hell is Cygnus? 2. When can I order and how? 3. For that matter, what the hell is Acoustic Dreams? 4. Orders received. ============================================================================= 1. What the hell is Cygnus? Hi all, I'm Mike Bahr, humble maker of special edition CDs. Earlier this year, I made available a special, _very_ limited edition Dream Theater CD called Subconscious. I didn't know if the project would work at all, since I had to use my own money to finance the project, and had to be very close on costs to even make it a non-loss financially. But you responded, Ytsejammers! The CD sold, sold, and sold some more. In fact, the entire limited edition print of 500 copies, each hand-numbered and signed in gold by myself, sold out entirely to you, the most devoted fans of Dream Theater on earth. And I do mean _Earth_! I got orders from the USA, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Austria, Great Britain, Ireland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Israel, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Belgium, Greece, and a few more countries I am sure I have forgotten to mention. Truly, the WORLD made Subconscious a success for me and for the Jam, so I'm going to hope that Cygnus will be another one! My heart goes out to all of you in every country of the world for joining in! What I did was work with a pressing plant using rental equipment and some of my own as well, and an exhausting three months of preparation, packaging, and mailing, not to mention production of the CD, and a million other things, and made it a reality. I was relieved beyond words when I read the positive comments people had for it online. Cygnus is the project I will do to fill the gap between Spring 1995's Subconscious and Autumn 1995's WHEN DREAM AND JAMES UNITE. Cygnus will be a recording from an ultra-rare Rush show, the single best sounding Rush show in existence, from the mystical Hemispheres tour of 1978-79. It is an unlimited print, but there will likely not be more than 1000 ever made. Here's the information on the show. Title: Rush "Cygnus" Source: True soundboard reel-to-reel, original length 81 min Running time: 73 min Venue: Convention Center Arena (TCC Arena) Location: Tucson, Arizona Date: November 20, 1978 Generation: Transferred to 48kHz DAT from a 2nd gen analog. Quality: Beyond comparison. Higher than "Oakland '92" and "Pinkpop". Setlist: Anthem A Passage to Bangkok By-Tor and the Snow Dog I. At the Tobes of Hades II. Across the Styx III. Of The Battle Xanadu Something for Nothing The Trees Cygnus X-1 Book 1: The Voyage Cygnus X-1 Book 2: Hemispheres I. Prelude II. Apollo III. Dionysus IV. Armageddon V. Cygnus VI. The Sphere Circumstances A Farewell to Kings Note that La Villa Strangiato had to be cut or else I couldn't fit the Cygnus saga on the CD! I'm sorry about that, I hope it won't kill the experience for anybody. They had some sound problems during that song anyhow, so in a way, maybe you _don't_ want to hear it. Also on the original tape was a cut-off version of the beginning of 2112, the Overture and then half of the Temples section. In order to make Cygnus fit onto a single CD, I cut those seven minutes out of the DAT. Everyone has a live 2112 on ATWAS album, anyway. Now that I sort of "have the hang of it" where CDs are concerned, I have put together some colorful art for the CD and cover. For those who didn't get one, Subconscious had a gold-on-black motif, much like the Terminator-2 and Star Wars laserdisc box-sets. It was dignified, and direct. And now, for Cygnus, I want to really make people say "wow!" The cover is pretty wicked looking, I'll try and post a copy. 2. Where can I order and how? Okay, here's the deal. Anyone remember how long it took my blanks shipment to get to me when I did Subconscious? Twenty-nine days, it did. And I placed the order for Cygnus blanks a few weeks ago. Used a faster supplier. Now, this time, I originally had planned not to even ANNOUNCE Cygnus until I had the CDs in hand. However, so many of you are leaving for the summer and/or want early copies like last time, that I will go ahead and do a pre- order deal again. Why, you may ask, should I send the money, if I won't get the CD for a while, though? Well, you don't have to. But you can. I strongly urge you to consider it. Here's why. Here's how it works. I don't want anyone feeling uncomfortable sending me a payment when in all truth, your CD might take a month to get to you. So I will divulge as much information as I can to make it a sound decision on your part. For those who wish to wait, there will be NO penalty; simply order when I get the CDs in shipment. For those who order early, in an effort to reward their confidence in my project and in gratitude for them getting the ball rolling early, I will be shipping CDs out in the order they were received... thus, you'll get it sooner. Furthermore, this time I'm going to run a little contest. A random 25 people in the first 300 orders (this will be done with a computer randomizer) will get a free copy of a special video montage, just as an added bonus and a thank-you for being a part of this. I think I might make two or three different montages and throw them in at random into the sets... one Rush, one Dream Theater, one Live, one Queensryche and maybe one of all sorts of progressive bands. Or more! :) How to order!!! Remember when Subconscious came out, and I said certain costs were permanent, and had gone into the production cost? I didn't lie... Cygnus will be CHEAPER than Subconscious was. The price will be $23. For anyone in Canada ordering, add only $1 for postage. For anyone outside North America, add $2 for postage (so it would be the same price as Sub) and that will take care of it. There's a lot of bean-counting that I do to come up with those numbers, so trust me, it's what it amounts to. Plus, you can order as MANY Cygnus discs as you want, because you on the Jam are getting a shot at it before I offer it anywhere else. Also, it's still $25 for NON-Ytsejammers. Check out my posts to alt.music.rush and a.m.dt, you'll find it's true. Naturally, if you have friends who want a copy of Cygnus, they can get it at the $23 price, same as you Jammers. Please use a money order if you can. The reason is simple: it's safe! I know you paid and you know I have it (it's traceable). And you know if you don't get a CD or a refund, I'll go to jail. For international orders, I will indeed accept cash if you wish. I urge you to be careful, because every order for Subconscious that contained cash made it safely to me, but that might not always be the case. I don't want anybody to lose their money. For orders of 2 or more Cygnus discs, a travellers cheque or international money order is economical to use. If you decide to use cash, please wrap it tight in a thick envelope and try to hide it, so that nobody will steal it. Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. It will actually be closer to 4 or 4 and a half weeks, but in order to be safe, I'm giving you the extreme possibility. Understand that, as with Subconscious, I'll be making every effort to get them sent fast and soon. And now, I know a few things I can be doing to get them done faster than I did with Sub... like pre-making the mailing lists, supplies, process, etc. Here's what to do. Send your payment, along with your Name, Address to ship it to, Internet email address (in case I need to contact you), how MANY CDs you want, and, optionally, your phone number. I say optionally, because I know some of you want to keep them unlisted. Send all this to: Michael Bahr 3175 N. Price Rd. #1066 Chandler, AZ 85224 (USA) If you wish to speak to me for any reason, including questions, comments, suggestions, or you just want to chat with another dedicated fan of Rush and Dream Theater, you are very welcome to call me at 1-602-777-0501. I am usually home between 11am and 9pm Mountain Standard Time. Please use this phone number with proper discretion, however, as I will be very confused if you call me at 3:00 in the morning. 3. What the hell is Acoustic Dreams? Well, this is the next CD I'm doing, also known as Dream Theater Unplugged. We were given a VERY high-quality soundboard tape of DT's recent Unplugged performance in Europe, and it can only be fully expressed in the form of a CD. Trust me. :) When can you order AD? Very soon, probably as soon as I get the materials in for Cygnus, so I can have two concurrent releases. I'm working on acquiring materials for it already. This will make me nearly broke this summer, but I've pre-paid my rent, and I can live without food for awhile. :) (yes, I'm exaggerating, but not by much. Time to run the first ever Ytsejam Canned Food Drive! ha!) Here's the tentative tracklisting from Acoustic Dreams... 1. Another Day (laid-back version) 2. Lifting Shadows off a Dream (IMHO, far better than the album version) 3. Wait For Sleep (acoustic GUITAR on this one, no piano!) 4. The Silent Man 5. Lie (boogie version) - this is really a trip to hear 6. Tears (Rush cover, done acoustically, very beautiful) 7. O Holy Night The following are very likely to be added: 1. Perfect Strangers (with Bruce Dickinson on vocals) 2. Caught in a Web (from an fm show, live jam) 3. A Change of Season (with C.Cintron on vocals) The following _will_ be added if I can get copies of them: 1. Voices acoustic (from a European radio show) 2. 6:00 acoustic (same) 3. Under a Glass Moon acoustic (same) I'm looking for any other acoustic DT material you all might have... remember, leave out the acoustic To Live Forever since that was on the Subconscious CD. 4. Orders received. This time, I'm in the thick of starting the AD project, and Cygnus is coming along just dandy as well... and I will be able to confirm that an order was received if you email me about it. I won't be posting a long list to the Jam because of complaints I received about the Sub listing. For the most part, all orders usually get through. If you want to confirm yours PERSONALLY, feel free to do so, via email or voice. Well that about wraps it up for this update of the CYGNUS CD project. Everyone be excellent to each other, and party on dudes! -Mike Bahr, email_address_removed "Or do you still wait for me, Dream (Theater) Giver, just around the riverbend...?" - Pocahontas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 21:15:57 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: In a message dated 95-07-19 06:23:57 EDT, you write: >2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also covered >by DT, I understand)? Randy...YYZ, I believe are the letters that designate Toronto Airport. The rythmn used in the begining of the song is morse code for y-y-z. Did I pass or fail? Warren in Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 21:14:15 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT's next single Message-ID: After listening to AWAKE for 400-500 times I have to say that the guys and EAST WEST should really consider releasing Innocence Faded as a single. With no execptions, everyone that I have played it for loves it...and after hearing the rest of the album, feels that it would be a great single. James' singing is great, drums are great, and the outro should KILL most hard rock fans. Also...last night I was talking to the evening DJ for KUFO here in Portland...he said that East West needs to PROMOTE the band more. He felt that the label was doing next to nothing to get them airtime. Their Program Director will only let him play PMU...nothing from Awake. So...lets get them a new sound engineer for live shows and someone at East West with a little more dedication to the best band in the world. Seriously...Hairball..any suggestions for getting a little more out of East West....? Warren in Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 20:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hitchcock's Other Eye" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jack of all trades & master of none Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Randall Braun wrote: > Thanks to whoever posted the 'Yes' update. I'm glad to see, IMO, the > premier Yes configuration back again. While Trevor Rabin has shown himself > to be an accomplished musician/lyricist/producer, etc., he just doesn't, > IHMO, quite fit in Yes' lineup. That was me, and yes, i agree. > New Trivia questions (3 part): > > 1. Before Yes reformed with Jon Anderson in the late 80's, Squire, White, > Kaye and Rabin did some pre-production work under what other band name? That was, of course, Cinema (which of course, ended up as the name of the instrumental on 90125 > 2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also covered > by DT, I understand)? Named for the airport designation given to Toronto airport (or a particular terminal therein) > 3. Now the most(?) difficult question: What thread do questions 1 and 2 > have in common? Both concern instrumentals??? What do I win? Andrew ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is no terror in a bang, only in the anticipation of it." - Alfred Hitchcock ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: prog bands in movies Message-ID: > obscure place in the credits something about "entertainment provide by > Ytsejam Inc." in another movie, whatever that means. I even posted > something about that one, but no one seemed to give a rats ass about > that, which I understand. Now I have a new one. It has occured to me that i'm sure that there are people interested in this (like me), but don't have the answer you are looking for... > moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film there is a > hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital loudspeaker? Why, none > other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay > (Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was > unmistakeable. While I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche > (although it may be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album. actually, i believe it's just a typical "hospital sound" which can be found on a cd-rom. lot's of movies, tv-shows use the same sound effects. lots of sounds you hear on tv (guns going off, crashes, etc.) can also be found on these cd-roms. that's what i've heard anyways. can someone correct me? this has probably been discussed to death on the SiD digest. tim a. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:10:19 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: #2(2) YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: First off I would like to comment on the lyric/music thing. I think they are both equally important. Would 'Metropolis' be the same if the main lyrical content was about sex with your relatives and getting plastered on weekends? Then again, would the lyrics in 'Under a Glass Moon' move you if they were done over a chord and half punk theme? See? Why don't you just sit back and enjoy the music? Sure, analyzie the meaning of the lyrics, take apart the song structure, its all part of listening to a great band like DT. Why trouble yourselves with all this internal conflict? Secondly, I think Charlie D. was (is) a great singer! The songs off WDADU were excellent. Listen to 'Afterlife' or 'Status Seeker' He's a great vocalist! James is excellent as well. Also, I wanted to know if any one knows if there is sheet music in print for WDADU. I have the song books for I&W and Awake, and would someone please tell me how to get on the IRC thing?!?!?! Thanks again.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 0:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: CCSU '95 ALUMNI QUINNIPIAC LAW '98 To: email_address_removed Subject: ANYONE FROM CT GOING TO DT. IN PROVIDENCE? Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone from Connecticut or Southern Mass, RI, is going to the DT show on August 3rd at the Strand in Providence, RI. If so, I am looking for someone to hitch a ride and go with as my usual friend can't make this particular show..and my car won't make the trip. Email me personally if you can help. thanks! Tim email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:26:31 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin Moore's Summer Vacation Message-ID: Hi everyone, Well, I guess the cat is sort of out of the bag now, since several people already know about this, so I might as well post the good news publicly. Kev's coming to Los Angeles this summer to work on some new material with Fates Warning's drummer, Mark Zonder. :) Moore details will be forthcoming as they become available, of course. Jennifer "...when even women cannot heal, surely all is lost..." -Jane Siberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Van Opstall To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: Please continue to analyze the music, lyrics and production of Dream Theater's work. I like to learn and contribute to the learning of others. Thank you all in advance. Respectfully submitted, M.A. VanOpstall email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:42:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Van Opstall To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: Yes, there is tab to the ytsejam at either the netcom ftp site or the nevada archive. I've also got it. It's got a lot of those little pseudo-trem picked parts in it like Malmsteen's "Far Beyond the Sun." It's a good workout playing the song. Ever notice how calm Petrucci looks when he pulls stuff off live. Whew. For example, the run in the solo for Another Day (great stuff). He just seems to fly up the neck. That's pretty cool. I can play stuff that fast but I've really got to dig in and grimace and bend over. It's sort of like bein' on the can. M.A. VanOpstall email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 895 Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, William Wright wrote: > > > 3. Now the most(?) difficult question: What thread do questions 1 and 2 > > have in common? > > Not all that difficult... (tho, it's ironic how it all fits together.) > > Before Rabin showed up on the spot, Squire and White were talking with > Jimmy Page (or was it Robert Plant?? oh...I always get em mixed up... it > was whoever played guitar for Led Zeppelin) and were going to call the > band XYZ (ex-Yes-Zeppelin.) I thought it was that Cinema and YYZ are instrumentals. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 21:21:53 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: prog bands in movies Message-ID: > > Ok, it has been well established that Derek was in "Wayne's > World" with Alice Cooper. I recently noticed in very small print in an > obscure place in the credits something about "entertainment provide by > Ytsejam Inc." in another movie, whatever that means. I even posted > something about that one, but no one seemed to give a rats ass about > that, which I understand. Now I have a new one. It has occured to me that > I watch too much tv. I was watching a movie last night called "Mixed > Nuts" with Steve Martin. It wasn't the greatest of movies, but it had its > moments. Anyway, about two thirds of the way through the film there is a > hospital scene when what do I hear on the hospital loudspeaker? Why, none > other than "Dr. Blair, Dr. Blair, Dr. Jay (Jane?) Hamilton, Dr. Jay > (Jane?) Hamilton". Well I bolted out of my seat when I heard that. It was > unmistakeable. While I admit that may not exactly be Queensryche > (although it may be for all I know), it is off of a Queensryche album. > Therefore, it is yet another progband in a movie. Actually, this is a commonly used Hollywood soundbite used in hospital scenes. I've heard it in about three movies over the years. The last one I heard it in was a really cheesy horror movie starring Madchen Amick (sp?) (the reason I rented the movie!) about a posessed Aztec burial cloth. When my friend and I heard this we jumped out of our seats and yelled: "QUEENSRYCHE!" > Just an observation, > > Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis > University of Portland And I still have had no confirmation about the SDV soundbite ("It's 180 degrees...but it's a _dry_ heat.") being from the movie _Biloxi Blues_. It's not from the Conan O'Brien show. I watch this about every night and I know what their voices sound like. Maybye I'll rent BB one of these nights when I feel like wasting money to confirm this (of course, I've been saying this for almost a year now). Zach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:00:03 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Monty Newberry ) To: email_address_removed Subject: various crap... Message-ID: When it comes down to the lyrics thing (I hope I'm not beating a dead horse here), the lyrics are extremely important for me. I totally find the literary/Biblical allusions/references in the lyrics of DT and other band's songs really intriguing. It often challenges me to look things up when I don't understand what the band may be talking about, and I actually learn stuff from such bands. It was Iron Maiden's song "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" that got me into the band not because of the music (which was/is excellent), but because I was somewhat familiar with the well-known epic poem. It was because of this song that I ended up reading my now favourite poem. This made me notice all of such references in their songs, and really increased my interest and appreciation of literature in general (I also read Dune because of "To Tame a Land"). As far as relating to lyrics, oftentimes, a band will write lyrics with the intention of allowing the listener to interpret them in their own way and apply the lyrics to their own individual situation. Now, said band may have certain specific things in mind when writing a particular song, but they MAY intentionally leave the lyrics open for interpretation. If lyrics make you think, whoever wrote them did their job. Recently, an old friend of mine committed suicide, and Megadeth's song "A Toute le Monde (s.p.?)" really helped me relate. I had no idea it was originally intended to be an anti-suicide song, but I did find out later on that it was. This just goes to show that not everybody that says they relate to song lyrics misinterprets them. I am currently studying some English in college, so such lyrics have helped me not only increase my interest, but have also helped in various research I have done for my classes. It is so refreshing to see a band out there that shows some shred of intelligence. Just for the record, I am also a musician, so the music is equally important to me. I can't stand crappy music and crappy lyrics (i.e. Green Day - sorry for all the GD fans out there, but this is how I see it). Anyway, I just thought I'd give my take on the topic. God bless. Dale R. Newberry "How far would Moses have gone if he took an opinion poll in Egypt?" - Harry S. Truman (attributed) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:02:04 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Monty Newberry ) To: email_address_removed Subject: one more thing... Message-ID: Oh yeah, I was just wanting to know why the first few lines of my posts have been getting cut off? Dale R. Newberry "He that judges without informing himself to the utmost that he is capable, cannot acquit himself of judging amiss." -John Locke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kevin Moore's Summer Vacation Message-ID: Excerpts from mail.ytsejam: 19-Jul-95 Kevin Moore's Summer Vacation by email_address_removed > Well, I guess the cat is sort of out of the bag now, since several people > already know about this, so I might as well post the good news publicly. > > Kev's coming to Los Angeles this summer to work on some new material with > Fates Warning's drummer, Mark Zonder. :) YES!!!!!!!! YES YES YES!!!!!! All this needs now is vocals by Tori... your hated nephew, max ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anton Max | "Then, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill!" Keyboards, Aepithex | -William Shakespeare, MadMax+@CMU.EDU | _King Lear_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:00:28 -0600 (MDT) From: email_address_removed (Bracken Odiorne) To: email_address_removed Subject: Relating to lyrics (LONG rant, sorry) Message-ID: Greetings and salutations people, I just wanted to say that I disagree with Phil when he writes that when people say that they relate to the lyrics they are most likely misinterpreting the lyrics and therefore are not really relating, but rather, interpolating the meaning of the lyrics. (If I've misinterpreted your statements please feel free to mention it to me in a freindly manner.) I feel that there are certainly instances where people can and do relate to lyrics. Since Metallica was mentioned in his message, I shall use them as my initial example. (BTW, I was not offended by your Creeping Death complaint since I realized what it was about when I picked up the original Garage Days Revisited ep [w/Am I Evil & Blitzkrieg].) Not to get off on a rant here, but when a band writes a lyric that is obviously the telling of a story, i.e., Trapped Under Ice or Ride the Lightning, people who have experienced the same kind of things can certainly relate to those messages. (We'll ingnore for the moment that most people who "ride the lightning" can not relate to much other than Pam no-stick spray. Let's assume it is someone AWAITING execution.) Of course, lyrics aren't always so straight forward. Eddie Vedder refused to discuss the meaning of the lyrics to Jeremy in an interview (on eMmTyV) because so many people had experienced relations to the lyrics that he did not want to rob them of. He understood that his lyrics (At least when he was still writing good albums [just my opinion]) are his intellectual property, but everyone's emotional experience. The idea is that everyone brings to art their own experiences and outlooks. Certainly, I can relate to the Mirror because I've had a particularly strong experience involving betrayal by a very close friend. I'm not thinking about the exact same experience that inspired Mike Portnoy to write the song. I've brought my own experiences to the table. I don't think that's an injustice to the lyricist (not to be confused with other types of cyst :> ) that I've done this. I think it is just what the songwriter wants. Who wants to write a song that no one in the world will ever relate to (and as a result be moved by)? What would be the purpose of writing songs, poetry, books, etc... if you don't want people to have strong emotions while listening, reading, and so on? I agree that I have no idea EXACTLY what MP means when he writes it's plagued me from coast to coast / Racing the clock to pleaase everyone / all but the one who matters the most (perhaps touring to please us all and neglecting himself), but I relate to the lines about betrayal and maybe understand why my (former) best friend did what he did a little better. Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. Sorry if this seemed harsh. I'm not trying to be, but apparently, my friends think I can come off that way sometimes. Sorry about the length. Happy happy joy joy feelings, Bracken "...Without Music, life would be an error." Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 03:47:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brian V. Cox" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater/Queensryche DAT offer Message-ID: hi everyone. i am in need of DAT blanks for taping future shows (especially since i will try to attend/tape every echolyn show within 1000 miles of me) :) and i have an offer for everyone. i have 8 dream theater shows on DAT. 5 i taped myself, one is the 6/9/95 new jersey show with the new ACOS, and the other two are AMAZING FM shows. i also have 14 queensryche '95 shows on DAT. 7 of those i taped myself. also, i filmed 6 of the ryche shows. i am making all these available to everyone on the list, and anyone else, for DAT blanks. here is the deal: 1 video: 1 DAT blank 1 DAT clone: 2 DAT blanks 1 Analog 1st gen dub of a DAT: 1 DAT blank +shipping cost. i pay for the tapes i record on. i am just doing this to let everyone have these shows that has nothing that i want in trade, and because i desperately need DAT blanks. any brand of DAT blank is ok, except for TDK DDS (data grade) tapes. preferable length is 120 minute (60meter) or 180 minute (90 meter) but 90 minute is ok, but add 1 tape for every 3 90's. email me for more details and a list of the shows available. or, check my web page for a listing of my DATs with setlists and everything. thanks. to **always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs** ============================================================================= Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me, "Feeling threatened? email_address_removed "Others steal your thoughts We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind." ============================================================================= check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 897 *************************