YTSEJAM Digest 895 Today's Topics: 1) A few thoughts by email_address_removed (Jeff Gilbert) 2) Re: Metallica IS Progressive by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 893 Honest! by "C. Dominici" 4) Schleudertrauma and question concerening MEGATON by "Michael Wolberg" 5) The Return of Ken the Slave by "Ken H ili" 6) lyric v. music by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 7) sim engine by Michael Van Opstall 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 893 Honest! by NuGgeTMaN 9) QR, DT, Motorhead, Black Sabbath and **HELP** by BOB HOLDER 10) Re: Metallica is Progressive by euan@waikato.ac.nz 11) Jack of all trades & master of none by email_address_removed (Randall Braun) 12) The Prisoner fonts. and a message by email_address_removed (Randall Braun) 13) Lyrics vs Music, round three. by email_address_removed (Kevin Madden) 14) Too much analysis and comparison by email_address_removed (- ) 15) Rush and Presto by email_address_removed (Mike Patrick) 16) Stuff... by email_address_removed (Lars Hellsten) 17) Re: Jack of all trades & master of none by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 18) Re: Too much analysis and comparison by Andrew Keegan 19) DT dates. by Brian Wherry 20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 893 Honest! by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:02:16 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Gilbert) To: email_address_removed Subject: A few thoughts Message-ID: Okay, recarding the lyrics/music debate. Being a musician, I usually pay more attention to the music. But I do like a good lyric as much as anyone else and I do consider DT (all the members) to be good lyricists. In fact, when IAW came out I was going through a rough time. Although the music totally blew me away, the lyrics on the album were really inspiring to me. The album seemed to have this theme of facing failure or going through a tough time in you life, dealing with it and finding the courage to carry on. As a result, IAW is and album that has real sentimental value for me. As for whoever posed the "what is progressive" question, I would definitely consider Rush and Yes progressive. Not just because of the fact that, they've spent their whole career breaking down the barriers that mose people set up in rock, but also for constantly looking ahead and trying new things rather than resting on their laurels. I consinder albums like "Counterparts" and "Talk" to be on the same level with classics like "2112" and "Going For the One." For that reason, groups like Marillion, Kansas, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa(RIP) and King Crimson are also progressive. A lot of people (particually the middle-age burnouts from the 70's) seem to think of "progressive" as a group that uses mellotrons, writes really long songs and trows in a new time signature change every three bars. To me, that's a rather superficial definition. There's more to it than that. BTW, I do read the progressive metal newsgroup and I do find the flamewar going on in there right now to be rather pathetic. It reminds me of why I generally hate usenet. Sometines I wonder why I bother reading it. Well, that's all I have on my mind for now. Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:08:05 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metallica IS Progressive Message-ID: > > In YTSEJAM 893, there was reference to Metallica as being not progressive. I > believe that this person has missed the mark when they lumped Metallica in > with other decidedly non-progressive bands. Oh, jeez, here we go....... > > Maybe people are unfamiliar with most of Metallica's material or are coming in > to the game a bit late, but Metallica deserves much credit for creating an > entirely new sound in music (thrash). And, recall that this was happening > 10-12 years ago. Beneath this harder sound, you will actually find some > complex instrumental writing. One may not care for their sound, but they > indeed created something truly NEW. IMO, creating a whole new sound equates > to being progressive, no ?? I respect your opinion but still have to totally disagree: 1) Sure they have a few small novice (I guess you could call it) prog riffs but so do Anthrax and Obituary and Megadeth and early VH ect.. That doesn't mean these bands are prog. 2) I totally agree with you in that Metallica had almost as much influence on thrash and metal as Elvis had on rock'n'roll, but that doesn't make them prog either. Would you call Micheal Jackson a progressive artist because he was one of the founders of pop music? ================ENOUGH SAID!!==================== One more thing, my band wants to cover Ytsejam and I was just curious how close I was in figuring out that song. If anyone has it tabbed or can get it, tell me! Take the time, Trey Allen ____________________________________________________________________________ "...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance, eternal..." "...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the second without end..." "...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the dance of eternity" (John Petrucci of Dream Theater) Trey Allen --- email_address_removed --- http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:25:28 GMT+0100 From: "C. Dominici" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 893 Honest! Message-ID: <<>> Why is everybody picking on me??? Charlie D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:16:39 GMT+100 From: "Michael Wolberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Schleudertrauma and question concerening MEGATON Message-ID: Hi list, Quoting Kinga may be a good beginning for my mail: >I realize this may be of zero interest to most of you but since people >here write about their grandmas and other people's girlfriends, I might as >well share with you my little experience, especially since it DOES have a >DT content! :) Last saturday-night I've been in the Aladin, a from time to time good music-playing club in Bremen with a dancefloor of acceptable size, and ...... guess what Mr. DJ played at ca. 3:00 am ? Pull Me Under !!! YYYYYYYYYYESSSSS! YYYYYYYYYYYYESSSSS! Now guess who airguitarred and headbanged his mind out of himself, close to neck-breaking ? Ok, stupid question.... The first (and up to now only) time I've heard DT in a club was some five years ago in the "Gruenspan", Hamburg. I've to say WDADU is kinda diffucult to dance to ..., what do you think ? Ok, now something different: Has here ever been some discussion about the band Megaton? A friend of mine put a song of them on a tape for me, which he recorded partly from a sampler. I think they are pretty good. Could anyone please pass me more information ? THX in advance. MiWo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:06:15 GMT+0100 From: "Ken H ili" To: email_address_removed Subject: The Return of Ken the Slave Message-ID: Hi everybody, Sorry about my last post (the complaint from Charlie), I was just feeling very silly!! It won't happen again... I think. Anyway... it's great to get to read the Ytsejam again - I've been away for two weeks, and I was starting to miss my daily digest! Obviously I've had a lot of catching up to do... In digest #894 Dan wrote: <<>> Dan, I think you're right. What's going on, folks? I'm on this mailing list because I think it's fun! I want to communicate with fellow DT fans, I don't want to go to war! Calm down... Peace Ken the Slave "I think the word you're looking for is... AAAAAAAAAA!!!!" -One of Danny DeVito's many strange lines from Batman Returns. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:15:19 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: lyric v. music Message-ID: email_address_removed (Kevin Madden) wrote: > >I will weigh in with my opinion: If the music sucks, it really doesn't >matter to >me what the lyrics are. I would never buy a cd because the lyrics were >nice or profound, but I WOULD buy a cd whose music was outstanding and >whose lyrics were stupid, trite, and any other adjective an English teacher > >could come up with... Don't flame me, but I don't like DT for the lyrics >(or even for the vocalist, I liked Charlie) but for the outstanding >musicianship. >I would wager that this is so for others, too. Lyrics are icing on the >cake. > I gotta go with Kevin here. I used to get into the hugest arguments with a friend of mine about that. If the lyrics are the most profound thing ever written but the music sucks I won't listen to it. Ironically, my friend is a big, big, big R.E.M. fan. But I remember (about 10 years ago) reading an interview with REM and Stipe said that he doesn't put the lyrics on the insert because the lyrics are part of the song and to take the lyrics away from the song wouldn't be right (not at all a direct quote). Which is my point. It's very cool when the lyrics are awesome. And actually, if the lyrics are too ridiculous, I won't like it as much. I might say that the music is cool but the lyrics are stupid. But it's a _song_ not a poem. It the words are most important, why set it to music? My friend argued that it's easier to get the message to the masses if it's a pop song. I say that the message is lost amongst the masses anyway. So good lyrics are cool and it seems that many of the bands I listen to have good lyrics, but I listen for the music. To Jaime the Dragon: I've never bought any music merely because I could relate to the words the vocalist says. Then I read the post from Tymoteusz Altman . > a few weeks ago, a dumbass posted a web site address > in one of the heavymetal newsgroups. it was a web > page for neo-nazi propeganda bands! He said he wouldn't listen to any of these bands. Nor would I. If the lyrics are insulting or contrary to my beliefs, even if I like the music, I can't listen to it. That's happened before. If the lyrics are stupid or trite, but not insulting or offending, I can listen to it and love it (remember David Lee Roth's first album :). ---------------- Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer/Welcome.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Van Opstall To: email_address_removed Subject: sim engine Message-ID: I tried the sim. engine with DT I&W, Yngwie, Dixie Dregs, Gary Hoey, and something else. What do you think I got? Awake is #1, #2 is Fates Warning - Parallels, and #3 is Queensryche - Promised Land. Also notably in the top was Tourniquet's Psycho Surgery, something I own, as well as some Dregs stuff that I have as well. My brother but in a couple of no name bands that probably aren't even in there and Live. He got Live, Pearl Jam, Hootie, Collective Soul, Soul Asylum, FM Radio, etc. back if you know what I mean. I tried to trick it just for fun with Green Day, Miles Davis, Sepultura, Garth Brooks, and Yanni. I didn't get any rating above the line. All of 'em were 16s, basically a mix of classical/jazz and death metal albums. That thing is really cool though. M.A. VanOpstall email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 893 Honest! Message-ID: Hahahahaha What a pathetic attempt at making us Believe that'Z Charlie...hehe nice try There Guy!!! NOT! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) email_address_removed Eric Moegling: email_address_removed email_address_removed fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, C. Dominici wrote: > << And after listening, I must say that bringing in James was the best move they > could have made (IMHO) :). I think James' versatility is a definate plus > to the musical style of the band.>>> > > Why is everybody picking on me??? > > Charlie D. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BOB HOLDER To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed.ON.CA Subject: QR, DT, Motorhead, Black Sabbath and **HELP** Message-ID: I had a very interesting weekend this past one. Went to see Queensryche on Saturday night at Darien Lake and they absolutely blew me away with their show. I missed TON but was hanging around my campsite at the time discussing DT with a group of teens that were passing by wearing I&W and AWAKE tour shirts. They all got into DT through their music teacher from high school. Queensryche's set (all 2 1/2 hours of it) was pretty much identical to the one posted here back in May by Brian Cox. To top off the weekend, last night I went to see Motorhead and Black Sabbath at Polonia Park in St. Catharines in the old Russian(Moscow) Circus tent (hold's 6000+ people) with only about 2000 in attendance. My ears have just stopped bleeding, it was incredibly loud. Sabbath sounded great with this lineup (Tony Iommi, COZY POWELL, Tony Franklin and Neil Murray). Cozy even did a solo that was incredible. Highlight of the night was meeting Lemmy down the street at a local drinking establishment, getting his autograph, and beating him at a game of pool. **HELP**: On the subject of length of songs, I was just arguing (in favor) about the length of songs during my lunch break, stating that ACOS times in over 19min. A couple others I used in my argument were Jethro Tull 'Thick as a Brick'(43:38) and Rush '2112'(21:12). Anyone care to help me reload for Friday's lunch with long songs? Concert Trail: 9 days to QR in T.O. 31 days to VH in T.O. "Oughta my way I'm comin' through I know what I want And I know how to get it" Comin' Through - KiLLeR DWaRfS See Ya, Bob "How can I see tomorrow if you keep me in the dark" Face against my soul - sUBHUMAN rACE - Skid Row ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:48:26 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Metallica is Progressive Message-ID: The reason why Metallica may be called progressive is because the legacy left to James Hetfield by the late bass god Cliff Burton. Lars Urlich has been quoted as saying "Cliff played piano and knew a lot about theory, he introduced James to the third and fifth and shit like that..." If anyone asks the magazine I read that in was written just after the Justice tour. IMHO, DT is a superior band in terms of all round technical skill, musical knowledge and songwriting techniques. They are a leader in the prog metal category (a label which I hate personally) just as Metallica pioneered thrash. Enough babble, ON WITH THE JAM!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:11:57 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Randall Braun) To: email_address_removed Subject: Jack of all trades & master of none Message-ID: >>Reply on IM(H)O acronym: It is not redundant or superfluous; of course that is my opinion, but how would you know unless I said so. It is necessary because the english laqnguage doesn't have a grammatical/sematic form that automatically differentiates FACT from OPINION. FACTS are absolutes. OPINIONS are personal choices, i.e: 'JP is a better guitarist than AL' is stated as an absolute (fact) and is different than 'IMO, JP is a better guitarist than AL because ...' or 'I think (or believe) JP is a better guitarist than AL because ...', which are expressions of personal choice (opinion). >>On the 'ACOS is anti-Christian' thread: I would like to thank all Y'Jammers for their contributions, and for their openness in allowing this discussion w/o open flames. Since I've already said my piece, no need to re-iterate it here; however from what I have read in the JAM & also personal Email, this issue is important to some of us, and why we appreciate DT, and prog/metal in general. >>On the related 'Rush is anti-Christian' thread: I.ve never heard any Rush (Peart) lyrics as being being anti-Christian. Howver , the lyrics from 'Ghost of a Chance' from 'Roll the Bones' (i.e., I don't believe in forever... and I don't believe in angels looking down from above ... (or something similar, I don't have the lyrics in front of me)) suggest a rejection of 'traditional' Christian beliefs; on the other hand, in 'Big Wheel' from the same album, 'I don't want to wait for heaven...', ? a convenient literary analogy ? Of course, I also don't believe in the necessity of certain traditional (but not biblical) Christian beliefs; they often tend to detract from the essence of a true Christian relationship. In fact, I enjoy Rush, their music and words; they have a lot of good things to say on some sociological/psychological issues that fundamentalist christianity distorts or rejects. Thanks for the #ytsejam IRC info; just needed to download the appropriate software from Info-Mac and figure out how to use it. Too bad, I don't think anyone else was on the channel at the time; maybe I'll chat with some of you later, though I suspect that best internet access probaly is when most of you are under the Slavedrivers' eyes. Thanks to whoever posted the 'Yes' update. I'm glad to see, IMO, the premier Yes configuration back again. While Trevor Rabin has shown himself to be an accomplished musician/lyricist/producer, etc., he just doesn't, IHMO, quite fit in Yes' lineup. New Trivia questions (3 part): 1. Before Yes reformed with Jon Anderson in the late 80's, Squire, White, Kaye and Rabin did some pre-production work under what other band name? 2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also covered by DT, I understand)? 3. Now the most(?) difficult question: What thread do questions 1 and 2 have in common? --Randall L. Braun 'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is mangled and torn!' -- Anne Morrow Lindbergh You are correct when you say that there is one God; the demons also believe this and shudder (James 2:19) Christianity is a relationship, not a religion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:30:39 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Randall Braun) To: email_address_removed Subject: The Prisoner fonts. and a message Message-ID: >>Related to my answer to the Iron Maiden-Prisoner connection. For those who are font collectors, the font style used on The Prisoner is known as Albertus, Since this is a copy-righted font, others have created the Albertus-derived fonts 'Furioso' and 'Village' for both Mac and PC which are available for downloading at: dworkin.wustl/dist/prisoner Also, for those who are corresponding with me by personal Email, I understand that the LAN, and thus the server I am using, may be down for maintenance for a few days in the near future. So, you'll know mhy any replies are late, or your mail bounces; try again later. --Randall L. Braun-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:11:28 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Kevin Madden) To: email_address_removed Subject: Lyrics vs Music, round three. Message-ID: <9507182211.AA07724@> Tim said: =for me the music comes first...but the lyrics are just as important. =let me ask you this: =a few weeks ago, a dumbass posted a web site address in one of the =heavymetal newsgroups. it was a web page for neo-nazi propeganda bands! =i checked it out to see if it was for real...it was! =the scary part is that some of these bands probably have musical talent. =but i wouldn't even attempt to download any of the song samples, because =i didn't care for what they are saying in the lyrics. =I know this is an extreme case, but i wouldn't listen to any such band =even if they were 10 times better musically than DT. =on the other case if the lyrics are great, and the music sucks, i would =probably get turned off just as much. =tim a. (sitting on the fence) --------------------------------------------- I think that like you said, that is an extreme case of the lyrics actually making a difference. I'm still not sure. If I could ignore the lyrics in order to better appreciate the musicianship, which in your hypothetical scenario was ten times better than DT, I probably could do it. I wouldn't wear a tour shirt, or promote their agenda, but I could appeciate the MUSIC. But fortunately we never face that dilemma, so it's not really an issue. The lyrics I had in mind were dumb, but I managed to overlook them; like more of the "fantasy" style or whatever. You know "White witch, white witch" type stuff. (apologies to the Savatage fans who actually enjoyed those lyrics. Speaking of which, they are a perfect example of stupid lyrics in conjunction with awesome musicianship, especially Criss, RIP.) Some of the DT lyrics are dumb (or trite or whatever) in my opinion, but like I said, I don't listen to DT for the lyrical content. But, of course, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion! -- Kevin (email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 10:25:18 -0700 From: email_address_removed (- ) To: email_address_removed Subject: Too much analysis and comparison Message-ID: Could we please pick apart DT's music/lyrics a little more?? I think just a little bit more analysis would really help!! Come on, music is meant to be listened to and enjoyed, and you don't/shouldn't need to study it to figure out how it makes you feel. All this analysis serves nothing but to take away the emotional impact and mystery that the music has to offer us. Geez it is not a course you are taking.....ITS MUSIC!!! LISTEN TO IT!! Decide what it means to you and leave it at that. Why do we have to talk about who is the better songwriter in DT??? It's not a friggin competition, it's a band, they all all trying to write the best songs that they can,and make music that we all love. Give me a break please.... Don't get me wrong, this is a place to talk about the band we love and it's great that we have the chance to do so...but lets put them under a magnifying glass and criticize and throw the band members against each other. It just serves no good purpose, except maybe to cheapen the band and their music, and leave absolutely nothing to question. Think about it....isn't it cool to hold music dear to you and to let it say to you just what you want it to??? AMEN ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:49:39 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Mike Patrick) To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush and Presto Message-ID: > The last letter had a post about Rupert Hines being a genius and how >great it was that he stuck around for Roll The Bones. Well, I don't know >a damn thing about producing, but I will say that Roll The Bones is, as >far as I'm concerned, the biggest pile of crap that I have listened to >from Rush. Counterparts was SO MUCH BETTER, as was Presto, which at >least had some great singles (Show, Don't Tell and The Pass, to name a >couple). On Roll the Bones, Dreamline was OK and Heresy was at least >interesting, but the rest of the album was tame and lame. I don't really >know whether that's Hines' fault or whether Rush's writing was just weak >for that album, but YUCK. If you don't like RtB, blame the band, not the producer. Rush has been around the block enough times to get EXACTLY what they want out of a record. To be honest, I'm not sure why the even use a producer (I know, they say for song structure, etc.) - I guess it's all in what you get used to. Rupert is still the man, however. Mike Patrick email_address_removed Still searching for that elusive corner of the Net where civility is all the rage and the content is substantive. Ah, screw it. Who am I kidding? ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 95 12:17:24 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Lars Hellsten) To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff... Message-ID: First, regarding the lyrics thread. I don't know about the majority of jammers, but the lryics have always been a secondary thing to the music itself for me. It's great to analyze lyrics, and great if you can related to them... but even if you DON'T, that doesn't take away from the music! Some examples of songs like that are Lie, 6:00, Caught In A Web (unless you change the title to Caught In The Web... :) ), UAGM. I don't get any- thing out of the lyrics for those songs, and thusly, don't really pay attention to them, or notice them. But all of those songs are great, and I love them just the same for the music. On songs like SDV, Voices, Scarred, Another Day, or TLF, the lyrics jump up and I notice them right away. It definately adds SOMETHING to the songs for me, but the lyrics don't make a huge impact. But I'm also the type of person who loves instrumental stuff (DT is the perfect balance between lyrics and instru- mental stuff), unless Geoff Tate is singing it, so that might explain it. About Metallica; I'm glad there are some other people here who're MEtallica fans as well. I was a HUGE Metallica fan - totally obsessed with them - before I found DT and became obsessed with them instead. :) I still love the band (and hey, there are *SOME* songs I like on the Black album - My Friend of Misery, Unforgiven, God That Failed), and will buy everything they release right away, and I still think they're talented musicians. As far as their dispute with Elektra goes, that was settled a LONG time ago. I originally heard that Metallica sued Elektra and lost, and that Elektra was going to counter-sue the band for $100 million (!!!!), but apparently they worked it out out of court. This news is over half a year old. From what I heard a little while ago, Bob Rock was supposed to produce it with them when he finished some other project. I'm not sure what the latest word is, but I'm pretty sure they must have already finished recording it. It was supposed to come out this fall... -- Lars Hellsten <*> email_address_removed <*> MatrixSoft Development All my life they said I was going down / but I'm still standing, stronger, proud / and today, I know there's so much more I can be / I think I finally understand - Queensryche "Someone Else?" -- |Fidonet: Lars Hellsten 1:250/320 |Internet: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 21:31:05 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jack of all trades & master of none Message-ID: > > New Trivia questions (3 part): > > 2. What is the origin of the name for the Rush classsic 'YYZ' (also covered > by DT, I understand)? I think that 'YYZ' is the letter designation for the Toronto airport (actually pronounced "Y-Y-Zed"). > > --Randall L. Braun Zach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 00:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Too much analysis and comparison Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, - wrote: > Could we please pick apart DT's music/lyrics a little more?? I think > just a little bit more analysis would really help!! Right on, Bro! > Come on, music is > meant to be listened to and enjoyed, and you don't/shouldn't need to > study it to figure out how it makes you feel. Oh, you were kidding. > All this analysis serves > nothing but to take away the emotional impact and mystery that the > music has to offer us. Analysis has NEVER taken away emotional impact for me. And if I want mystery I'd be a Copperfield fan. > Geez it is not a course you are taking.....ITS > MUSIC!!! LISTEN TO IT!! Damn, all those music appreciation courses have been for naught. >Decide what it means to you and leave it at > that. As if ANYONE is going to change the way I feel about a song. > > Why do we have to talk about who is the better songwriter in DT??? Boredom? > It's not a friggin competition, I ain't touching that one. > it's a band, they all all trying to > write the best songs that they can,and make music that we all love. And they usually succeed. Some people like to know how they do it. > Give me a break please.... > > Don't get me wrong, this is a place to talk about the band we love and > it's great that we have the chance to do so...but lets put them under a > magnifying glass and criticize and throw the band members against each > other. It just serves no good purpose, except maybe to cheapen the band > and their music, and leave absolutely nothing to question. Give ME a break. They are not gods. If someone says that Petrucci writes better lyrics than Moore, that won't cheapen the way I feel about either one. > Think about > it....isn't it cool to hold music dear to you and to let it say to you > just what you want it to??? Maybe. I think it's cooler to share what's dear to me and see if someone else feels the same. > AMEN me too ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry To: email_address_removed Subject: DT dates. Message-ID: Well, while I was on the phone with the ever-so-pleasant ticketmaster agent getting my tix for the Providence show (she actually was nicer than they usually are), I asked her to scan her computer for any other DT shows. Zippo. The only one was The Strand in Providence. Now this could mean that there aren't any more dates, or just that that's the only show that is being handled by ticketmaster. Allrighty then. BTW, if you have yet to put two and two together, I'll be at the show, and would love to get together with as many ytsejammers as possible. I'll definitely be wering my ytsejam shirt! :) An aside: I'm bringing a friend to this show with me. I've only known him for a little while, and the first time I asked him what he thought about Dream Theater he said, and I quote, "I hate them with a passion!" Oh no Mr. Bill! One time I was looking through his CD collection, and I was thinking to myself, "How can this guy not like Dream Theater?" He's got a lot of really good stuff: Pantera, Prong, Charlie Parker, Bela Fleck, etc. I realized that I was presented with a challenge: TO CONVERT HIM!!! He came to my apartment one time, and I played him some DT. I played him Metropolis, Voices, Scarred, ACoS, and a few others. Lemme just say he smiled a lot!! He has since bought I&W, and is really psyched to see them in a few weeks. (as am I) IT CAN BE DONE!!! Brian BTW, the first tune he ever heard by DT was 'Lie.' (Obviously not the best choice for the single.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 893 Honest! Message-ID: > > << And after listening, I must say that bringing in James was the best move they > could have made (IMHO) :). I think James' versatility is a definate plus > to the musical style of the band.>>> > > Why is everybody picking on me??? > > Charlie D. > I really don't mind Charlie's (your) vocals. I think in some parts James may be a little more suited for the job (Surrounded, Space Dye Vest, the other softer songs). But on WDaDU, that was compensated for by minimizing these types of sonmgs. I think Charlie did a great job! Also I need to know the port# for the ytsejam IRC thing cause the only way to get there for me is to telnet and them it propmts me to login. PLEASE HELP ME! I want to be there! Take the time, ____________________________________________________________________________ "...sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow; Death is the first dance, eternal..." "...As a man I've found it's all caught up with me; Deceit is the second without end..." "...Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know that the third is love; Love is the dance of eternity" (John Petrucci of Dream Theater) Trey Allen --- email_address_removed --- http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html __________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 895 *************************