YTSEJAM Digest 863 Today's Topics: 1) I&W vs. Awake by zebrowski steven 2) Need help from Japan by Christopher J Pokladnik 3) Re: everyone but DT by email_address_removed (Bracken Odiorne) 4) The Crow (non-DT) by email_address_removed (Jeff Forte) 5) Radio stations and other European things by "Jason T. Breitweg" 6) A Proposal: Switch Cygnus and Unplugged? by Michael Bahr 7) sampling?? by email_address_removed 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 861 by email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) 9) URGENT!! by email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 861 by email_address_removed 11) DT show in Lichtenfels - simply awesome by email_address_removed.de 12) YTSEJAM digest 858 by "Steven Johnson, P" 13) by email_address_removed (Bill Bechtold) 14) Two bands to try. by email_address_removed (Bill Bechtold) 15) thanks by William Kriski 16) website by William Kriski 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 861 by email_address_removed 18) Re: Catching up by email_address_removed (Michael D Stoner) 19) Re: JP vs. EVH by email_address_removed (Michael D Stoner) 20) An obdervation and a wish.... by email_address_removed 21) What is Unplugged? by Jon Larkowski 22) I&W vs. Awake, Metropolis, Maiden by "Michael Wolberg" 23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 859 by euan@waikato.ac.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:23:21 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven To: email_address_removed Subject: I&W vs. Awake Message-ID: OK, where was I... Now that I've said everything I like about both albums, now I have the unfortunate task of posting everything I don't like. As far as I&W, I hate the _sound_ of the triggered snare. I think the keys are a little too much in most parts and make the whole recording sound "soft." The bass, of course, is a little masked by the mix, probably only because Prater decided it was overplayed, so he changed it after J Myung went home. The guitar sounds have no variation--there's "clean," "crunch," and "solo." This is really too bad. The lyrics are a little too pretty. Like so many publications have said about Bon Jovi: "In this day and age, no one has time for 'riding steel horses.'" I think the lyrics are classic prog--right down to the overwrought pretentions of the imagery. What the hell is "glass moonlight?" Awake has its share of problems, too. I think James's vocals are _way_ over- done. James's is going to murder his voice if he doesn't stop doing that rock singer crap. I&W he sings totally clean and it's beautiful. I wish there was some way we could _make_ him sing in the I&W style all the time. I hate the sound of James inhaling before every line on Awake, too. Having said that, I hate the sound of his noise gate releasing before every line on I&W. Maybe they could have used a better expander or something. If the keys were overdone on I&W, then they were underdone on Awake. Not enough shredding on Kev's part, perhaps because of the split and since you all know how I feel about that I won't get into it. No complaints at all about the guitar or bass. The drums sound great _except_ for the snare. Personally, I would have buried the snare under a million gates and compressors and reverbs until it sounded a little more like that triggered snare from I&W. Other than that, the drum sound blows me away. Listening to Awake, you'll never forget that drums are made of WOOD. The Awake lyrics give testimony to the fact that it is indeed possible to write beautiful, coherent, soul-baring songs in plain speech--without having to use a lot of odd "pretty" words. The songwriting on Awake is flawless. Flawless, that is, except for that atrocity of an album closer. It is simply tacked on there at the end, _after_ the logical album closer. I just wish it was somewhere else, because other than the complete choppiness of Erotomania it's the only thing I don't like about the album, and having it as the last track always leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Well that's about it. I didn't start writing with any idea of what my choice for favorite album was, but I think I'll have to go with Awake, if only for its sheer BULK! It is huge. I still love I&W, but Awake is the soundtrack of my life. And please don't think I am trying to force my opinion on anyone. If you are so compelled, let the flames begin... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "...all that I feel is honor and spite. | __| |_ _| | __| | V | | __| |_ | ...all I can do is to set it right." |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / Kevin Moore, PMU |___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"Of all the stupid things I could have Steve Zebrowski email_address_removed thought this was the worst..." Joe Jackson, Hometown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:33:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher J Pokladnik To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Need help from Japan Message-ID: I need to get in touch with someone from Japan. There is a magazine called "Young Guitar" that is distributed in Japan and I need a specific issue before it goes out of print. So if someone could PLEASE send me the mailing address of the publisher, so I can arrange to order the back issue. Thanks Chris Pokladnik email address: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:44:52 -0600 (MDT) From: email_address_removed (Bracken Odiorne) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: everyone but DT Message-ID: Hello all, I just wanted to add my 0.02 to the Flotsam & Jetsam thing. Yes it is true that Jason Newsted only played on Doomsday For the Deciever, but he wrote about half the songs on their next album, No Place For Disgrace. IMHO NPFD is F&J's best LP, and if you don't agree, TS. I think When the Storm Comes Down is a very low point for the band, but with Cuatro, they seem to have recovered from losing their best songwriter. As far as the Megadeth\Friedman thing, I have to disagree. I do think that The older albums (Rust In Peace, etc...) are better than the new stuff (from Countdown on), but that's not Marty's fault. That's Dave's fault because he's trying to break through (ala Metallica) or something. I think he's still a great songwriter (the new album has some catchy tunes for certain), but he's just not as aggressive. He's trying too damn hard to be accepted by everyone (in the age of hip hop\do wop oh well, whatever, nevermind) I just appreciate the fact that they're still around unlike some of my other favorite bands (ie: Varga or the Jon Butcher Axis), and still making good music. It's just not thrash anymore. (Of course I do long for the days of eight minute mostly instrumental Megadeth songs, but I'll take what I can get since Metallica can't be bothered with such trivial things as new albums). May we all pray to heaven that DT has the kind of longevity that they deserve! Outta here, and I promise to have nothing but DT content the next time I post. Bracken P.S. I'm flattered that my ramblings about the Doors connection are going into the FAQ. Wow, you really like me, you really like me! (Obscure Sally Field reference) "... Without Music, life would be an error." Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:49:50 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Forte) To: email_address_removed Subject: The Crow (non-DT) Message-ID: >I noticed that "Jeff Forte" had included a quote from "The Crow" in >his signature. I was curious, has anyone else read "The Crow" by >J. O'barr. It makes excellent reading, and trancends any stereotype >normally placed on comic books. It is truly fine literature, unlike >the ungodly, ruinous cinematic version. It seems that "The Crow" >would be excellent for the Ytsejam sort of people -- people with >a sense of artistic taste. Raise your right hand if you've read >"The Crow". IMHO the Crow is one of the greatest pieces of comic book literature ever created. A great piece of work from a mind that was obviously tortured by loss. Although I didnt think the movie was as bad as you say...matter of fact i thought that the movie turned out pretty good concidering Brandon Lee was killed in the middle of making it. I think a lot of people on the list would like it. The love and the loss that is displayed in this work will send chills up your spine. It is sold in a graphic novel now which ismuch easier to find and is cheaper than the original books. I highly recommend this. Later ________________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Forte email_address_removed "Heaven must be more than this, when angels waken with a kiss, sacred hearts won't take the pain, but mine will never be the same." --Kevin Moore "A twisted soul--the mortar Despair--the bricks To build a temple to sadness" J. O'Barr "The Crow" ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:30:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Jason T. Breitweg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Radio stations and other European things Message-ID: I think you have a good idea there Scott about taking over the radio station. Maybe I can get Ties to come in from Berlin and some other Jammers from other parts of Germany and we can stage some sort of coup. I will need someone that can speak German though so they don't think that it is just some American gone crazy storming the station *laugh*. About the whole European tour being canceled. Well I know DT played at the Rock over Germany show near Hamburg but I haven't heard anything about headlining shows yet. I guess we will have to wait until the people that are going to the Saarbruken (forgive my spelling) tell us something. And finally about alt.music.dream-theater. I don't think this group is widely gotten by many Universities etc.. I know we don't get it at Wisconsin and we don't get it here at DESY either. I think the best way to get DT news is through this list and maybe sometimes alt.r-n-r.m.prog. Hopefully people will post to both of these as well as a.m.d-t when they have something important to say. Three days until Rage, Iced Earth and Discredit *yeah*. Jason +-------Jason T. Breitweg--------------Internet: email_address_removed.de------+ | The world is full of kings and queens | | that blind your eyes and steal your dreams... | +---------------------------It's Heaven and Hell!-----------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:15:38 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: A Proposal: Switch Cygnus and Unplugged? Message-ID: IMPORTANT FOR ANY CYGNUS OR UNPLUGGED BUYERS Hi all! I'm typing this in response to an idea about four or five people have asked me to implement, and I want to know if the Jam would like me to do it, or screw it. :) The idea is this: "Produce Unplugged now and Cygnus later". Now, before all of you who have mailed me Cygnus money have a heart attack, allow me to explain. I've digitally mastered both shows on the old computer here and sent the result to DAT, so I could still go either way. My blanks are being shipped/handled/whatever-it-is-they-do-that-takes-so-long to me as we speak, and I could still make the press master for either one, without forsaking the other. The way I would figure on doing it would be, to allow all of you who have paid for Cygnus, to use that payment for Unplugged. (gotta think of a good name for the Unplugged CD... I'm sure the thesaurus will help) The UNP CD was going to cost $23 anyway. I certianly don't want any Cygnus buyers to feel cheated, so I would offer you the option of: 1. Having me convert your payment for Cyg into a payment for UNP; 2. Having me keep it until Cyg is available (which I am willing to do) 3. Having me refund it (which I will do if necessary). Now, this is not a firm thing yet, just an idea; a proposal. The overwhelmingly positive response on the Unplugged CD is what brought it about, as the idea was mentioned to me quite a few times. Usually this advice took the form of an email that said "HEY, MAKE UNPLUGGED FIRST, STUPID!" (grin) and in one case, one Steve McMaster actually gave me the change idea. If I get a ton of mail saying "hell yes Mike!" I'll go with it. If I get a lot of "Don't do it; just do Cygnus" I won't switch 'em. Since those who have paid have priority, I won't do it if it would mean alienating them or having them feel cheated in ANY WAY. Please, let me know. I'll post to the Jam what you all thought. Thanks much for your time. :) -Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:30:09 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: sampling?? Message-ID: Hello all, I have a question for ya'll, actually my friend wanted me to ask: Regarding samples (as in like, audio samples from movies or TV shows), do you need to get permision to put them in a song??? He's thinking of putting some in a song of his, and was wondering what if anything he has to do. Thanks, -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:23:00 +0200 From: email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 861 Message-ID: Hi Jammers! > > Dream Theater have cancelled all their European dates!! I heard > this from a Finnish ticket office, so I guess it is rather > reliable. > Well, a few minutes ago spoke to the KuFa in Saarbruecken and they knew nothing about a cancellation of European dates. So far for your Finnish ticket office... Don't panic European jammers. It's not definite yet! Bye. Bernd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:12:50 +0200 From: email_address_removed.de (Bernd Basmer) To: email_address_removed Subject: URGENT!! Message-ID: Hi Jammers! Well, me again and my "misusing-the-jam-for-other-things". :) I need suggestions for a title of a song that will be on the CD of my band! The song is about how TV influences people in a bad way and so I'm searching for a title where are for example 2 words in it that begin with 'T' and 'V'. It could also be more than 2 words but the 'T' and 'V' words should be in there. But the title should show this bad side of the TV, not the good! Pleeeeeeeze don't flame me for this. I'm just a poor german boy in the need of help from my american jamming friends... :) And PLEEEEEEZE email me directly. Don't answer to the jam! Address: email_address_removed.de Thanks in advance. Bye. Bernd. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 861 Message-ID: Greetings everyone, it's Babs. Here's a little bit of gossip. Sorry, it's not DT related. I received a copy of Freetime Magazine (a local magazine about music in the Rochester/Buffalo area). Megadeath is coming to Buffalo w/ FLOTSOM AND JETSOM. I thought that whoever started the F&J thread would be interested in knowing that. BTW, this is for Warren in Oregon. I need your snail mail address. I have located some stuff to send to Chris. -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:21:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: email_address_removed.de To: email_address_removed (YTSAEJAM Digest) Subject: DT show in Lichtenfels - simply awesome Message-ID: Greetings Jammers! This post includes concert info from Lichtenfels in Germany (6/21), and by my side is fellow Jammer Mark Stahl (who was very fortunate to be vacationing in Germany at the time!). Before we go into the concert, we'd like to add a couple tour dates to the ones that Ties has already posted... these are from the back of the current tour t-shirt, so they should be pretty solid: 2.7 - Muenchen (Germany) 9.7 - St. Gallen (Italy?) And now onto the concert - this includes the set list, so we'll add the obligatory SPOILERS! SPOILERS! message. The set list: relatively similar (if not the same) to what some people mentioned from the New York shows. We'll throw a few random comments in as well... 1. Under a Glass Moon - balls opener... we were trying to guess beforehand what they were going to open with, but didn't guess this one. 2. Mirror/Lie - some problems with John P.'s volume level were solved relative- ly quickly, so we could once again hear his ripping solos. 3. Lifting Shadows off a Dream 4. A Change of Seasons - intro was definitely different, as well as some of the transitions between sections. Some lyrics were changed from the original, and, for all of you who have been stressing about the usage of FUCK, James did not sing it in the version we heard/saw. Our opinion of this song is that it's going to really appeal to a lot of people, but others are not going to like it due to the changes from the original. But what's new? look at the differences in opinion of I&W and Awake? 5. Surrounded - really awesome audience sing-a-long (encouraged by James) 6. A Mind Beside Itself - good Derrick intro (although it would be cool if it was longer); naturally a good audience sing-a-long with Silent Man 7. Pull me Under --- Encore 8. Wait for Sleep (acoustic) - absolutely no keyboards, but the John/John acoustic interplay was great. 9. Learning to Live - First time we saw this in concert - naturally a perfect last song for the concert. John P.'s solos were at their jammin' best. general comments: - This time I really watched John Myung play, and although his sound often got washed out by Mike's bass drums, just watching his fingers move was often mesmerizing. - James sang _excellently_ (no cracks) - some excellent screams, and he often encouraged audience participation. - Mark had a (perhaps) once in a lifetime concert experience right at the end of Learning to Live - he was the recipient of a certain something from Mike Portnoy... but we'll leave you in suspense for now (he'd like to give his own rendition from his account in California when he flies back tomorrow). - After the concert we had a chance to meet all the members, although due to time constraints they couldn't hang around that long. - My Subconscious CD is now signed by Mike Portnoy! yahoooo! - hey Hairball - I said hi to Mike P. for you - he says hi back! - Mike Bahr - Mike P. mentioned he has 5 copies of SubCon. Fuck yeah! that about raps it up... to all the German Jammers - get ready to sing along with the new (and improved) version of ACoS... btw - as far as we know, the Euro Tour _is not cancelled_ ! yours in DT fandom, Paul and Mark /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Paul T. Fini /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/ e-mail: email_address_removed.de \/\/ /\/\ fax: +49 (09131) 60040 /\/\ \/\/ phone: +49 (09133) 2352 \/\/ /\/\ /\/\ \/\/ "To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade \/\/ /\/\ only of the brave..." -Primus /\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 1995 10:33:10 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 858 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 06/19/95 23:07 Letting you kids into my private life.....I am a media relations professional for a major oil company (we do a lot more than just pollute the good earth :) ). Being the only person under the age of 30, without wife or kids and living in Chicago's Lincoln Park, I try to get some of my co-workers into a musical scene that don't see much of (not a flame to jammers with spouse and kids in any 'burb). I've been getting them to hear snipets of DT material. Soon, I will conquer their minds and get them away form Kenny G. LATER- Steve --------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't be king of the world if you're a slave to the grind." - Skid Row ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:35:14 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Bill Bechtold) To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >Here is a list of some of my favorite shredders (in order): > John Petrucci > Marty Friedman > Joe Satriani > Jason Becker > Randy Rhoads (R.I.P.) > Zakk Wylde > Paul Gilbert > Alex Skolnick > Alex Skolnick - diving into the jazzier(yet still metal-ish) realms of > the guitar after his TESTAMENT days, with a metal-ish twist, > he's got a unique sound I talked to Alex on June 5,1993 and he said he was forming a new band. he said it was going to be called something like 42nd Street. Did this ever happen? I talked to him at a Testament show, and yes, he says he still hangs out with the 'ol band. This show was the night before my first, and only, Dream Theater show. During the show Chuck Billy (Vox) announced that Dream Theater was all at the Theater that night. I bumped into most of them, and added them to my autograph collection. (I also have all of Testament, including Skolnick.) Skolnick is a bad man (meaning good), and I'd like to know what he's doing now. -Bill Bechtold email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:50:59 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Bill Bechtold) To: email_address_removed Subject: Two bands to try. Message-ID: My two favorite newish (atleast for me) bands: Type-O-Negative- They have three albums. Try the third, "Bloody Kisses" it is one of my favorite albums period! If you saw Queensryche, you probably saw them. Slow, heavy, pissed. I like 'em. Life of Agony- Great album. It is a conceptual album too, for you conceptual album fans! Kind of like STP on steroids. Maybe like old COC. Try these two, and if you don't like 'em you can blame me. -Bill Bechtold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:30:24 -0600 (MDT) From: William Kriski To: email_address_removed Subject: thanks Message-ID: 'jammers, I posted the original message about Flotsam and Jetsam and would like to say thanks to those who responded. I intend to get NPFD and DFTD ASAP. To Arlea: Since you've only been on a short time you obviously missed a lot of petty arguments about non-DT related stuff, sigs, lengths of posts, etc. For me, I just hit the "+" to page down past discussion/arguments about bad words, eddie vs. JP, misspelled words, etc. It's not worth clogging up the digest with another complaint! As far as Metropolis goes, I love it. As far as coherency goes, what I like about DT is that they don't follow traditional trends. There are changes from distorted heavy parts, to clean parts, rhythm and tempo changes, etc and that's great. Also, it's challenging as a guitarist to practise these parts and get them down, which is very satisfying. I agree that there might me a mish-mash of different ideas but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Variety is the spice of life! Will K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:09:14 -0600 (MDT) From: William Kriski To: email_address_removed Subject: website Message-ID: 'jammers, Someone posted a web site with CD samples for a new band. I downloaded one file (.au) but the level was so high that all I heard was noise. I turned the volume down as low as possible, but it was then lower volume noise! Does anyone know anything about that? Also, is there a place where new bands can send their tapes to be sampled and available for the computer literate public? This address could advertise around the newsgroups and get people to download the files. Will ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 12:17:17 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 861 Message-ID: For the Flotsam "GOD". I said that I "THOUGHT" Newsted played bass. I wasn't sure. Thanx for the info though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 13:43:14 EDT From: email_address_removed (Michael D Stoner) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Catching up Message-ID: <9506221743.AA23408@pascal.m> > > Best DT moment. For me, has to be Surrounded. I just met a great girl about > a month ago and Surrounded completely makes me think of her. To me, it's a > very positive song. I'm notoriously bad at lyric interpretation so I won't > offer my thoughts (yet anyway) on what it means but I'd be interested in > hearing what others think of Surrounded. Maybe some more literary types :). > Well, that's very nice! If she dumps you tomorrow then Space-Dye Vest will completely make you think of her, with The Mirror/Lie a close second. I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't kid around about stuff like that, but it shows the contrast between I&W and Awake, LaBrie's singing, etc. Mike Stoner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 14:31:22 EDT From: email_address_removed (Michael D Stoner) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JP vs. EVH Message-ID: <9506221831.AA23439@pascal.m> > > All right, now that I've endangered my life with that little tidbit, > let me just add this: Petrucci vs. Eddie is a hell of a match-up, but I > think it's a major bad call to say that Petrucci is a "better" player. > It's especially bad to imply that Petrucci has accomplished more with his > music. Let's not forget something here: This is EDDIE VAN HALEN. He > changed guitar forever. He was a revolutionary running on pure talent, > and he caused ripples. Petrucci is AMAZING, but he is still another > Berklee School of Music chops-meister. What really sets DT apart from > the rest of the technically-awesome Berklee products is that they can > write great songs. But I don't see Petrucci having as much impact on the > guitar world as Eddie did. > > I guess a good comparison is David Robinson vs. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar > in hoops. Robinson's awesome, a complete player, and he may be stronr, > faster, and a better player than Kareem was (maybe). But as great as > Robinson is, and even if Kareem couldn't beat him one-on-one, and even if > Kareem wishes he could be more like Robinson, the fact is, KAREEM CHANGED > THE GAME FOREVER. The NCAA outlawed the dunk because of Kareem. The > center position was never the same again after Kareem. Robinson never had > that kind of impact, and he never will, and even if he can do everything > Kareem could and mor, he just doesn't do it the same way. Yeah, great comparision, but the sky-hook didn't catch on like two-handed tapping! IMO, it's pointless to compare the two guitarists, but if all we had ever heard of Eddie was the last two albums, we wouldn't even have this thread going. Eddie's sounds like he's been in a slump for about 10 years. Some of those solos, if that was me, I'd have stopped half-way through, rewound the tape and done another take. Not that he sucks, we know the talent is in there somewhere. Now, for some of my favorite Petrucci moments... I love the closing solo on Take the Time. You've got to crank it up as it fades out to here every last lick. Better yet, listen to a live version where he continues ripping well past the fade out part. Also, I have to squint my eyes and grit my teeth whenver I here the soaring high E near the end of the Lie solo. It's like a blinding flash of light. Mike Stoner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:45:40 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: An obdervation and a wish.... Message-ID: Sorry bout the semi-DT content... The Orservation: Echolyn is very different, almost late 70's sounding, Styx, Queen, Jethro Tull, those type bands...not at all "90's" sounding. this is very refreshing that new music can have real content, not like the "little" bands like Bush or Offspring. They have "feeling" but that's about it, Echolyn has everything...although perhaps too much... :) The Wish: I just bought the newest Fates Warning, Inside Out and I think that if DT would ever cover a Fates song, "Monument" should be the one! That song ROCKS!! Lates... dave "All we can really share is the coldness we feel and the silent memory of the moment we met" Eye to Eye/Fates Warning "I think it's time now for you to know, holding on is easier than letting go." Life In Still Water/Fates Warning "I know that it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye..." Surrounded/Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:11:47 +0100 From: Jon Larkowski To: email_address_removed Subject: What is Unplugged? Message-ID: Please forgive my ignorance. Perhaps you discussed this while I was temporarily off the list while on vacation. What is DT Unplugged all about? I assume it's another bootleg creation by Mr. Mike. But what's on it? Please let me know! -- Lark * Jon Larkowski * Covert CVFN Guy * email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:48:27 GMT+100 From: "Michael Wolberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: I&W vs. Awake, Metropolis, Maiden Message-ID: Hi all, let me jump in on this before it dies down: 1. I&W etc. After hearing it twice, WDADU just drove me mad, and DT became my fave band. Until this time I often wondered what's so special about Iron Maiden that made me like them more than ... ehhh ... for example AC / DC or Whitesnake or or or ... must have been some proggy (?) touch on the Powerslave LP or rather on the Somewhere In Time album. Anyway, after WDADU I suddenly knew what it was. I&W knocked me off from the *very first* listening, especially PMU. AWAKE really disappointed me ... the first time I listened to it, the second time I listened to it ... the third time ... I had to listen very often (couldn't believe it !) before it grew on me, but though there is really great stuff on it I still like I&W and WDADU more. These two seem more homogenous to me. On AWAKE I somehow like more the special moments (of which there are a lot of, nevertheless). BTW the intro of TKH on LATM is my absolute fave DT moment (at least at the moment). 2. Metropolis Was the only song on I&W I disliked. I was always happy when this mad part in it was over ... far too proggy for me at this time. Nowadays I think it is my fave song (very narrow before ... ok, no new poll here). 3. Maiden Even if I know there is no sense in suggesting something like that (because I don't think (i.e. dare to hope) DT will play Maiden cover), here are my suggestions: "The Duellists" (think of the instrumental middle part !!) or "Hallowed Be Thy Name". "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" would be very good, too, especially because of the heavy "rolling" rythm (one reason why I like PMU so...BTW what do you think about Clawfinger ?). Of course everything only my ... errr ... how do you say ... two cents. bye, MiWo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:00:30 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 859 Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:33:44 -0400 (EDT) >From: J R McCullough >To: YTSEJAM Newsletter >Subject: JP vs EVH >Message-ID: > > >Someone wrote: > >"woah! Wait a minute...JP blows Eddie Van Halen away?? Hmm, that's > a very very hard pill to swallow. How about lets just say they >are both excellent guitarists (JP probably learned a lot from Eddie also)" > >Do something for me. Listen to Eddie's guitar solo on the VH live album >and then listen to JP's solo after "To Live Forever" on the Live in Japan >video. You'll soon discover that Eddie is technically good, but is musically >inferior to JP. Whereas Eddie's solo has no form, and little content other >than rambling noodling, JP's solo has a beginning, middle and end. He >changes styles, moods, and feelings. He also rips better and more >consistently than Eddie. > >After listening to those two solos back to back (and other VH and DT >songs), I've come to the conclusion that JP is the complete guitar player. >Let's face it, Eddie's tapping style was what blew us all away 15 years >ago when we first heard "Eruption", but one style does not a guitar god >make (at least in this day and age). JP can do it all - tap, rip, shred, >pluck, pick, groove, funk, (and he does some _mean_ classical arpegios >). Correct me please, if I am wrong, but I don't think Eddie is that >complete a guitar player. > >Firesuit on, awaiting flames... > >J.R. Man, you are sure lucky that this is not being posted to alt.music.vanhalen or alt.music.guitar, there are a lot of guitarists and other fans out there who still worship the ground that Eddie walks on. I am a diehard DT fan, but I still listen to and enjoy listening to VH and Eddie's playing. Technical wizardry is one thing but it gets you nowhere without feel. EVH embodies this in his "noodling" style. He is capable of producing killer solo's at the drop of a hat (that wicked harmonic in Beat it kills me every time I hear it). I'm sure JP is very skilled in improvisation and there is no argument about his feel, but EVH is more famous, makes more money and has been around a little bit longer in the business. That should count for something. IMHO. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 863 *************************