YTSEJAM Digest 860 Today's Topics: 1) Another bad trader????? by Pat Daugherty 2) What's this ? by "Michael Wolberg" 3) by 4) More Guitarist to ponder by Christopher J Pokladnik 5) flotsam and jetsam by email_address_removed 6) Change of e-mail address by email_address_removed 7) Changed screenname by email_address_removed 8) Various Threads, A vs I&W, FUCK, etc by Michael Backof 9) DT cancels Finnish appearance by email_address_removed.fi (Antti Nyrhinen) 10) misc. by email_address_removed 11) Re: echolyn by Tymoteusz Altman 12) RE: JP vs EVH by TIM LODGE -SGA/MACLAB POLITICAL SCIENCE '95 13) Flotsam&Jetsam by email_address_removed 14) Zebra by email_address_removed 15) Fwd: Me by email_address_removed 16) Re: WDAJU and DTUP by email_address_removed 17) ACOS EP Pressings? by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 18) Where I got NOV KC DATES? usegroup by email_address_removed 19) Zach and Mike Portnoy by Michael Bahr 20) My first non-DT content by Ben Kobashigawa 21) Catching up by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 22) Kevin Moore by email_address_removed (Rick Atkinson) 23) Re: Concept Albums by email_address_removed.ca (LAU JONATHAN) 24) Iron Maiden Covers. by George Voronoff 25) Jap. version of Awake by "L. Jason Hartman" 26) Question? by email_address_removed (John Hough) 27) Re: YTSEJAM digest 859 by email_address_removed (Steve Balderrama) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Subject: Another bad trader????? Message-ID: Has anyone had a successful trade with Al Balkiewicz? JUne 6 was the date he promised he would get the tapes he owes me done. So 2 weeks later nothing... No tapes, no replies to email, nothing. It has only been 4 months. How long does it take to hook up 2 vcrs, push record on one and play on the other???????????? I mean I am a busy person too, yet I got my tapes out within a week or so. After the first week or so he said something liek he tried to do the tapes but the first 15 minutes of the recorded tape was blank or something. Looks like another Jeremy (Haynes that is since there are other Jeremy's on the list) to me. I wonder if I will ever do a trade again. :( **** Pat Daugherty email_address_removed **** ** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ** ** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ** **** ****GO ORIOLES!!!!**** **** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:17:03 GMT+100 From: "Michael Wolberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: What's this ? Message-ID: O.k. o.k., I wasn't on ytsejam for months...what happened here ? Is the list moderated now ? Did I insert too many blank lines ? Or what's the reason for half of my last message being replaced by a stroke-dotted line (s. digest #858) ? If it was because of technical reasons somehow and if somebody's still interested (if not: PG DOWN please), here comes the lost part (to be on the safe side in a defused version): >> ------------------------------ Ugh, quoting oneselve is awkward...sorry. MiWo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:10:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Christopher J Pokladnik To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: More Guitarist to ponder Message-ID: How about Marty Friedman and Jason Becker! Does anyone have a tape or cds of Marty previous bands - Aloha and Hawaii?? Please let me know. Also does anyone have any live videos or tapes/cds of Marty's pre- Megadeth band, Cacaphony?? How does every feel about Megadeth?? I TOTALLY RECOMMEND any or better yet all of Marty's solo records!! later Chris Poklkadnik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:37:00 PDT From: email_address_removed To: "email_address_removed" Subject: flotsam and jetsam Message-ID: <2FE72384@msmailgwy> this is for the guy posting about flotsam and jetsam. awesome group. check out (around) 1986's 'no place for disgrace' jim e' jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:37:57 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed, Subject: Change of e-mail address Message-ID: Dear penpals, I will be changing my screenname soon to a different screenname. Right now, my address is HuntNKill, or email_address_removed. I will email all of you with my new address soon. Thanks! Yours, Jeff =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:50:32 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed, Subject: Changed screenname Message-ID: Dear penpals, This is still me! Jeff Chew from email_address_removed -----------> email_address_removed Thanks! Yours, Jeff =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Backof To: email_address_removed Subject: Various Threads, A vs I&W, FUCK, etc Message-ID: Hello everyone, I just wanted to comment on a couple of threads that have been kicking around here. Awake vs Images and Words ------------------------- Basically, the bottom liine for me is: Awake's production on Images and Words would have created one of the greatest overall albums I have ever heard. Unfortunately I really don't care much for I&W's production, so I don't listen to it that much. I find Live at the Marquee, Dance of Eternity and Lost in the Sky in my CD player more often. I would have to agree with whoever said "DT move on with Awake and leave the classical and jazz influenced music of I&W behind", except this is why I DON'T like Awake as much as I&W. The production on Awake is fabulous though. If I was as big of heavy metal fan as I was three years ago, this would be my favorite. Fuck ---- The Fuck thread has been beaten to death, but I would say profanity is OK as long as it is used sparcely to convey emotion. When it is overused it really becomes useless. Marillion, Pink Floyd, and Queensryche all use profanity sparingly and to great effect. (Fugazi, Animals, Op:Mindcrime) Of course, is this word considered pornographic? We (USA posters) could be shut down by the feds now that the Telecommunications Bill has passed in Congress. Set List for Ronnie Scott's Gig ------------------------------- This is for all who have been asking about this Funeral for a Friend/Love lies Bleeding (Elton John) Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple) Red Hill Town (U2) Zeppelin Medley: The Rover/ Achillies' Last Stand / The Song Remains the Same Tears (Rush) Damage Inc. (Metallica) with Barney (Napalm Death) Happiness is a Warm Gun (Beatles) with Steve Hogarth (Marillion) Easter (Marillion) with Steve Hogarth (Marillion) and Steve Rothery (Marillion) Winter (Tori Amos) In the Dead of Night (UK) Yes Medley: Machine Messiah/ Heart of the Sunrise/ Close to the Edge/ Siberian Khatru/ WURM with Steve Howe (Yes) Medley: In the Flesh (Pink Floyd) Carry On Wayward Son (Kansas) Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen) Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin (Journey) Cruise Control (Dixie Dregs) Turn It On Again (Genesis) Later, Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:26:09 +0300 From: email_address_removed.fi (Antti Nyrhinen) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT cancels Finnish appearance Message-ID: Evening, folks.. After a while of lurking I have to get on my soapbox.. "...the pain inside, coming outside..." "...I've heard the promises, I've seen the mistakes, I've had my fair share of tough breaks..." An hour ago I heard that Dream Theater have cancelled their European Tour, or at least the Finnish leg of it. They won't be coming to the Nummirock festival despite commitments made earlier. "...would you like to sit and talk to me about the way things change so suddenly..." I have no idea why this cancellation has occurred.. It's not the fault of the festival organizers, I'm pretty sure about that. I would sadly guess it's either DT or their management.. "...who were the leaders? what controlled the Killing Band that caused this mourning..." I don't think I need to say that I am PISSED. And that is an under- statement. Frankly I have hardly ever been this much disappointed in my whole damn life. "...I never lost my devotion, but somewhere fate went wrong..." I feel thoroughly betrayed. Maybe Dream Theater quotes will express my disappointed feelings better than my own words. And as you can prolly notice, I am presently filled with bitter irony.. Fuck. "...Deceit is the second without end..." "...I fell in love to be let down..." "...Never been much of a doubting Thomas, but nothing breaks like a broken promise, you tell me 'bout your two more coming, but once is just enough for me..." Shit, once WOULD be enough for me! I have never seen DT live! Last February they were over here, but there was no way I could have made it to the gig back then. Now next weekend I would have been able to go, I have my ticket and everything, and now they CANCEL. Aw fuck. On with the stupid quotes. Don't get mad at me, I just feel bitter and want to write this shit down. "...Hypocrite - how could you be so cruel, and expect my faith in return..." I don't feel like listening to IAW anymore now, either. It's been in my CD player for the past week, I've been waiting to hear LTL live and everything.. Now even the CD tracks sound disappointing :-( "...Is there fantasy in refuge? Should I turn on my religion? These demons in my head tell me to..." "...Never come near me again, do you really think I need you?" "...And he turns the music down, but just can't seem to shake that sound..." Antti, learning to swallow the rage -- Antti Nyrhinen | Find all you need in your mind Turku, Finland | if you take the time ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:11:21 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: misc. Message-ID: Hi all, Well, first off, do I understand that the DT show was not broadcast over the weekend in Germany?? If this is the case, I suggest we take over the radio station (suddenly thoughts of the movie Airheads comes to mind...) Anyway, a quickie thanx to Jaime for issues 5-8 of Metropolis Watch (which I just received yesterday) - thanx. And for the question of the day: what is the current address for the official fan club? I saw something in the MW newsletter which reminded me about it, but I dont recall seeing an address listed...any help would be appreciated! BTW, the membership costs $16, correct? Okay, that's it for the moment...c-ya Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:05:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: echolyn Message-ID: > i digress...but anyway, the show was good. those melodies did sound a bit > strange but i thought it was because it was live. will have to confirm when > i get some recorded stuff. i think they may be similar to Fates Warning in > that they may have to grow on me. but i'll give 'em a chance. believe me, they _will_ grow on you! i first heard echolyn on one of michael backof's prog compilation tapes...i was expecting this excellent band, but when i first heard the song As The World, i immediately thought, "WHAT THE F*UCK IS THIS _CRAP_!!!?"...it was just so weird! the vocal harmonies totally threw me for a loop! but i gave it a chance, and now echolyn is one of my favourit bands, along with DT, and Marillion. Since then i bought the CD, and got somone to copy for me their previous 3 cds...as well, since it doesn't look like echolyn will be touring the west anytime soon, i'll be getting a bootleg video of one of their shows. for all you interested, there will be an IRC chat with the guys from echolyn on june 28th (i think...someone please confirm) the guys are really cool, and have said that they want to do an IRC chat at least once a month. > tim a. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:46:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TIM LODGE -SGA/MACLAB POLITICAL SCIENCE '95 To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: JP vs EVH Message-ID: Absolutley agreed with J.R.'s post about the complete guitar player. Petrucci is a god. nuff said! Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:32:36 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Flotsam&Jetsam Message-ID: To the Flotsam & Jetsam guy: I've been listening to Flotsam since about 89 or so. All of my friends that listen to them think that 'Quatro' sucks, but in my opinion it's their best album. If you really like them I would suggest that you pick up 'No Place for Disgrace'. That album was recorded when Jason Newsted (Metallica) was still writing songs and, I think, playing bass for them. That album has some exteremly cool songs on it. Then, if you like that, pick up their two other albums (I'm not to sure what their titles are because I've been listening to nothing but DT since 92). 'Quatro' is a very good quality recording, with crunchy guitars, deep bass, precise but random drums, and one of the three best sounding vocalists I have ever heard (James LaBrie, Micheal Kiske being the other two). If you like DT and need a break from the norm, you should definitely check out Flotsam & Jetsam. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:37:28 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Zebra Message-ID: Wow. Nice to hear that name from someone else. I heard "Who's Behind the Door?" on 102.5 in Reading last week. Very nice. Dream Theater and Echolyn in July... ================================== Ghost email_address_removed "I'm sitting in the fireplace burning up my time." ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:33:26 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Fwd: Me Message-ID: --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Me Date: 95-06-19 20:30:03 EDT From: FWard92136 To: email_address_removed For anyone who cares, I work for Medic Computer Systems in North Carolina as a computer programmer. Moved down to NC from Michigan about 2 years ago, after realizing that there were no computer job in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The one BIG drawback of living in Raleigh, NC is that you will never hear DT on any radio station that I know of!! I am just glad I was able to be introduced to their brilliant music while living in MI. My big DREAM now is to actually some day see them perform live! As for which album I prefer, has to be Awake. I loved Awake when I first hear it, although I thought they had a new vocalist for a second there. To me, it just has a broader variety of songs, such as Mirror to Silent Man. I did not like 6:00 at first, but that has changed. I loved I&W, but Awake just sounds better to me for some reason. Talk Later, Fred Ward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:33:49 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: WDAJU and DTUP Message-ID: >gnus is the project I will do to fill the gap between Spring 1995's >Subconscious and Autumn 1995's WHEN DREAM AND JAMES UNITE. Cygnus will be a >recording from an ultra-rare Rush show, the single best sounding Rush show in So you're doing When Dream and James Unite before DT Unplugged? James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:47:22 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: ACOS EP Pressings? Message-ID: Does anyone know how many copies of the ACOS EP will be pressed (CD only, or tape as well)? Are we going to have a hard time getting it when it comes out? What will be the deal? thanks, Zach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:30:26 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Where I got NOV KC DATES? usegroup Message-ID: Dave- (I believe) You ask where I got the tour dates for Dream Theater here in the states? I got it from: alt.music.dream-theater check it out...if you haven't! Nov 10th in St. Louis, and Nov 11th in Kansas City. Of course since its pretty far in advanced...it could easily change. I am slowly but surely putting together a DT convention here in Overland Park Kansas. 15 min from downtown KC. Keep your eyes open. Still have some planning to do! About Dream Theater playing Iron Maiden...how bout anything from Piece of Mind(The Trooper?) or Killers. email_address_removed Todd Strickland Overland Park, Kansas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:41:12 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Zach and Mike Portnoy Message-ID: Heh! Zach actually remembered one of the funnier moments in 'Jam history. Some of you were there back then, before I was a young David Geffen, before CDs and Mike Bahr become synonymous (smile) when one night, an interesting post came to the Jam. :) I was drunk as a lord and so were most of my friends, so, naturally, I had to make things worse and set myself up for all sorts of disaster by logging onto the net. I finally drank one margarita too many, and went to "rest" awhile, and some friends of mine made an "interesting" post to the Ytsejam, signing it: Mike Portnoy, percussionist, Dream Theater. When I found out about it the next day I just about had a heart attack!! :) Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Kobashigawa To: Dream Theater Subject: My first non-DT content Message-ID: I noticed that "Jeff Forte" had included a quote from "The Crow" in his signature. I was curious, has anyone else read "The Crow" by J. O'barr. It makes excellent reading, and trancends any stereotype normally placed on comic books. It is truly fine literature, unlike the ungodly, ruinous cinematic version. It seems that "The Crow" would be excellent for the Ytsejam sort of people -- people with a sense of artistic taste. Raise your right hand if you've read "The Crow". Also, the Books of Magic by Neil Gaiman is superb. . . Raise your left hand if you've read that. Another piece of literature in comparison to it's sequel-esque comic series. Also- the Japanese version of Awake (Hit me if I'm wrong) includes "Eve", the studio version. I don't know if it includes lyrics. -Jun-Dai Bates "Are there spots in a leopard's eyes, also?" Yume no gekijoo -The Crow "The rain fell, like blankets of night." email_address_removed -The Jester ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:06:55 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Catching up Message-ID: Hi everyone. I've been away (from the computer) for a few days so I'm catching up. Who likes classical? I studied classical double-bass for the past 3.5 years. I can be fun. Someone said he doesn't see a classical influence in DT. Possibly, they aren't at all classically influenced but I'm sure that we're using classical as the genre not the period in music history. I am influenced by classical music, forms and harmony but the stuff I write doesn't use any standard forms (such as sonata form) and I definitely don't sound like Mozart ;). My point is that a classical influence could be as simple as saying that Beethoven didn't always go where you expected him to so you don't have to either. You got the idea, though, from a class you took when you discussed Beethoven - classical influence. Best DT moment. For me, has to be Surrounded. I just met a great girl about a month ago and Surrounded completely makes me think of her. To me, it's a very positive song. I'm notoriously bad at lyric interpretation so I won't offer my thoughts (yet anyway) on what it means but I'd be interested in hearing what others think of Surrounded. Maybe some more literary types :). I'll be interested to hear the new ACOS (I'm now waiting for Subconcious to hear the old ACOS). I don't know how fuck will sound in it, but if the lyrics that someone posted are correct, it doesn't bother me. I mean, what the fuck ;). Seriously though, I think it can be done in a way that fits the song. I hope it does. I&W v. Awake. I bought WDADU the same week it came out. I went through a I-hate-rock phase during which I&W was released, so I didn't buy it. I read in article, post I-hate-rock phase, about DT and decided that Awake would be really good. Bought it right when it was released (hadn't heard one tune from it) and fucking loved it! I listened to it constantly. I finally bought I&W and listen to it, almost exclusively. I guess it's because I just got it. I can't really decide which I like better. They're both great. Eventually, I'll put I&W away and pull out Awake (or the new EP :). The drums on I&W are wierd (can someone explain triggered drums? Hairball?) but the playing is fantastic and the songs are great! But same with Awake. I'm just listening to I&W a lot right now. BTW, WDADU is also great. I'd love to have it re-released (after it's re-mastered). Oh brother. The Mirror. That whole beginning bit CAN be done different ways. The way that is easiest to understand is the way that's already been posted according to the Awake book. Starts in 4/4, goes to 12/8 then (don't remember the book, this is my idea) back to a faster 4/4. If you could take away the drums, the guitar part would not change through any of the sections. WITH the drums, it does. The first bit before the 12/8 is no drums. Sounds like xxx- xxx- xxx- xxx-. Then the drums come in and it SOUNDS LIKE 3/4 superimposed over 4/4. It could be written in 12/8 as: guitar: xxx-xxx-xxx- drums: B S B S Then it goes to 4/4 but 2x as fast is you go by the drum part. The guitar is now playing 8th notes but like this in 4/4: -x xx -x xx Sorry to go on and on with this but it's all I know about so I'm writing about it. I did, in fact, sit down for a long while writing it out and figuring out exactly what's happening. I hope others will do the same. Take what I've written here and see if you can make it work before coming up with the "no chance that's happening" posts. Not a flame, just hoping people will think before speaking. A couple guys already didn't apologize for the length so I'm not either :P Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:25:47 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Rick Atkinson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin Moore Message-ID: Does anyone know the latest on Kevin? I remember someone on the list saying they knew him personally. I'd like to know if he has a record deal or if he is going to release something on his own. I also thought I would throw out an idea to the list. Is there anyway we could do some sort of petition to some record companies to sign Kevin. Maybe this sounds stupid, but I think that if a record company received an enormous request to sign someone, they might just pay attention. If anyone is interested, let me know. Off the subject, someone mentioned about DT becoming anti-christian when Kevin left. Take a listen to Hollow off his demo or even Lie from Awake. Both songs seem to take a bitter stance against religion. They seem to be coming from someone who feels quite betrayed by the whole thing. Anyway, let me know if you are interested in forming some type of petition. Thanks, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed.ca (LAU JONATHAN) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Concept Albums Message-ID: Here is my contribution to the Concept Album discussion. First of all, I've never heard Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime before. Is this album really as good as some say it is? Anyways, here's my list of faves (in no particular order)...... Marillion -- Misplaced Childhood - I love this album. I think everybody should have this in their collection. Great melodies all throughout and poetic lyrics. Like one long 40 minute song! Yes -- Tales from Topographic Oceans - Wierd album. Just 4 songs and it's over 80 minutes long! Has to do with some Hindu scriptures, I think?! Beatles -- Sgt Pepper's L.H.C.B. - Was this the first ever concept album? Is it a concept album? I dunno, but I love it! Rush -- 2112 - I'm a big Rush fan! Great concept, great music, great lyrics. Rush -- Hemispheres - I just can't wait for my Cygnus CD from Mike Bahr! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:53:52 +1000 (EST) From: George Voronoff To: email_address_removed Subject: Iron Maiden Covers. Message-ID: > > >>>What do you think the chances of Dream Theater playing a Iron Maiden > >>>song on tour? I would love just to hear ONE! thats all I ask. Would > >>>anyone agree with me? I know they like to jam the maiden...but let's > >>>hear it! > >> > >>Good idea! What about a poll do pick a song they should play? I'd pick either transylvania or the one about Dune (I forget the name of it). > >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:51:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Jap. version of Awake Message-ID: Someone asked about the the Jap. version of Awake. It includes an extra 3" CD with the studio version of Eve on it. 3" CD's are really cute! Its the only one I have. (don't tell anyone else that I used the work "cute" to describe something DT related) It also include a black+white book with the lyrics in Japanese. -- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" email_address_removed * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:34:09 -0700 From: email_address_removed (John Hough) To: email_address_removed Subject: Question? Message-ID: To All: 1. I know about the ftp.nevada site for guitar tab etc. and I was wondering if there is a site ftp., www, or even Email where you can get lyrics to songs? (published songs that maybe the artist decided to keep out of the CD). 2. PHUQ - sure. I like it in the right song. 3. Awake vs. I & W: Awake is better in my opinion, mainly cause the music is heavier and the production is awesome. This is THE best sound quality CD I have ever heard. But, IMHO I&W is a more complex and thought out CD as far as the songwriting. That's all. Later ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ John Hough email_address_removed "Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm right" "Maybe i'm some kind of lunatic" Queensryche - "Gonna get close to you ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:00:19 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Steve Balderrama) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 859 Message-ID: >In Ytsejam #857 Randall Braun wrote: >more recent: Gary Hoey, Mark Bonilla, Paul Gilbert >legends: Richie Blackmore, Carlos Santana, Ronnie Montrose, Robin Trower> > Carlos of course has great tone and superb feel for the instrument. He really can make that thing sing. I saw Robin Trower at a club date last year. I love his stuff, and am glad he is getting back to his blues roots. "Bridge of Sighs" about 10 feet from a fully cranked Marshall was a religious experience... I also am a big fan of Robben Ford. He is one of the smoothest guitarists I have heard. I really like some of his early fusion stuff but like his new blues stuff too; although he is almost *too* smooth to sound right playing blues. I really liked his "Talk to your daughter" album though. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 860 *************************