YTSEJAM Digest 857 Today's Topics: 1) Corrections: by Hairball 2) DT's New EP by "Jonathan M. Lipnick" 3) "Anti-Christian" DT by J R McCullough 4) Re: fuck context in ACOS by Andrew Keegan 5) Fave DT moment by email_address_removed (MS JAIME K KIMPTON) 6) by 7) stuff... by email_address_removed (Trey Allen) 8) Re: Corrections: by Andrew Keegan 9) Lots of stuff to cover by email_address_removed 10) Mindcrime the best? No way by Michael Bahr 11) German Radio and Tours.. by "Jason T. Breitweg" 12) Maiden Jam! by euan@waikato.ac.nz 13) Expletives, obscenities and profanity by email_address_removed (Randall Braun) 14) Re: fuck context in ACOS by Tymoteusz Altman 15) DT MID-WEST CON!!! by email_address_removed 16) Awake vs I&A by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt) 17) Zebra by email_address_removed (Mike Patrick) 18) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 856 by email_address_removed 19) I&W vs AWAKE by nguyen john t 20) singles for sale by "L. Jason Hartman" 21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 854 by email_address_removed (Steve Balderrama) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Hairball To: email_address_removed Subject: Corrections: Message-ID: 1) WFS was written after LTL. (Mike told me Kev wanted to write a piano prelude, so, that's why the two pieces sound familiar...and there's other parts from LTL in WFS...but we all knew that) 2) "Best" Concept Album. O:M is ONE OF the best concept albums...perhaps the best "Metal" concept album...but, it's not considered "The Best" concept album of all time. That honor usually goes to PF's "The Wall." But... 3) Could someone inform me where any band member has called "Awake" a concept album? Just curious as to whether or not I've missed something, or it's simply a case of people thinking too much... 4) I&W v. AWAKE (again): I hate the drums on I&W. The more I listen to that (after hearing Awake), the more they bother me...and a lot of other production stuff really bugs the crap out of me. It just sounds so processed! Sure, maybe all of you like nice, overproduced material, especially after WDADU, but, after hearing what a REAL production team can do with DT, I&W just pales in comparison. Barron/Purdell are great. It actually sounds like a band - not like a bunch of sequencers. And as for the writing on Awake: If they'd put out another I&W, I would've tossed all my DT stuff. Probably the reason I like Awake more than I&W is simply because it's NOT like I&W. Yeah, I&W has it's moments, but, Awake's just a better album, writing-wise as well. Why? Lemme tell yas a story... I'm one of these Kansas fans who thinks Monolith is a great album. Most of the people on their listserv think I'm out of my mind..."That album sucks, blah-blah..." It's got some great material on it - and it's DIFFERENT - there was no hit single from that album. It was the band being itself/themselves. It showed in the writing. It was a nice transition album between the '70's - '80's Kansas, and probably the most accurate portrayal of the band, save everything pre-Leftoverture/Point. Of course that's not bad material - just popular. Basically, what I'm driving at here is this - I&W sold FAR more copies than Awake...at least in this country. (I dunno about Europe. They seem to have their shit together - maybe DT ought to go the Zappa route, and tell the American audiences to "Sit Down, Shut Up, and Listen.") Why? Because it wasn't another "PMU" album. Some of the best material around is stuff that DIDN'T SELL WELL to the masses, Especially if you're looking for Material that's off the beaten path. Proof? KING'S X- Anything. Galactic Cowboys. And select Kansas albums. As a matter of fact, the next album I buy is going to be Toto's "Isolation." It didn't sell for squat, yeilded one minor hit, "Stranger in Town," which I liked a lot, and features a different vocalist (I think this was the beginning of the phase where Bobby Kimball had left the group, and they had like a different vocalist every other album...don't quote me though.) Why? Because, for me, the shit that everyone else buys is simply that. I won't apologize for the length of this. -Hairball ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:16:16 -0400 From: "Jonathan M. Lipnick" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT's New EP Message-ID: Can anyone please provide me and us all with a release date of this new release? -Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:07:55 -0400 (EDT) From: J R McCullough To: YTSEJAM Newsletter Subject: "Anti-Christian" DT Message-ID: My thoughts on the comment that ACOS is "anti-christian..." First, a little background so you understand where I'm coming from. I went to Sunday school as a kid, whent to church regularly, blah, blah, blah..., so I consider myself to have some deep-rooted religious beliefs. Problem though...I'm surrounded by fundamentalists! My brother, his wife, my in-laws, and two or three people at work are almost totally fanatical about this stuff, and feel it is their province in life to "convert" me to their closed-minded world view. It really hit home when my brother returned from a creation "science" convention and told me that all we learned in school was wrong. In a sense, then, I feel a deep affinity with the lyrics in ACOS, Voices, and A Slient Man. Like myself, I believe DT sees the horrible inhumanities committed in the name of christiandom (pick one.. Crusades, Inquisition, etc.) and only sees hypocrisy. Faced with the dual meaning and disgusting, self-righteous nature of most fanatical fundamentalists, they seek spirituality within themselves. Again pick one: "Don't expect your own Messiah, This neverworld which you desire is only in your mind" "When there is reason, tonight I'm Awake. Where there's no answer, Arrive the Silent Man" Plus, the quoted lyrics from ACOS. So, whereas I wouldn't call myself "anti-christian" for not following the fundamentalist dogma, I wouldn't call DT anti-christian either. They're just a group of intelligent, relatively spiritual guys who are struggling with the hypocrisy of fundamentalist Christiandom. Where on one hand the fundamentalists say "love thy neighbor" and on the other they persecute anyone who is different - whether its because of race, religion, or sexual preference. Comments, flames, suggestions, ideas? ******************* J.R. McCullough ********************** * Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time...* * -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time" * ********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 12:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fuck context in ACOS Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Brian V. Cox wrote: > > for all of you wondering about the "fuck" in the new ACOS, here is > the context of it. (by ear, so dont hold me to this) :) > > > i'm sick of all you hypocrites > for holding me at bay > and i don't need your mass you fuck > to get me through the day > At the Malibu show, LaBrie sang a different line. i'm sick of all you hypocrites for holding me at bay and i don't need your sympathy to get me through the day maybe they toned it down because some of their parents may have been at the show :) Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:22:44 EDT From: email_address_removed (MS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: email_address_removed Subject: Fave DT moment Message-ID: Mine was, beyond a doubt, hanging out with the band after the 7/15/93 show at the Downtown Festival Tent in Rochester, NY, and Kevin saying to me, "But I can't smile - this is a serious business!". We got him in a good mood that night, he was hammin' it up bigtime! That and the guitar buildup right before the last chorus and instrumental passage in "Take The Time" are by far my favorite moments... "a naked witness cannot lie..." Jaime the Dragon Flying To Heaven ------------------------------ I've been gone about 10 days in New Mexico chapping my lips (180 degrees but its a dry heat) I have come to announce that I believe the inclusion of questionable language in ACOS will sell DT one less album. Yep, I'm not buying it. And no, not everyone uses bad language, I don't. Seeing the context in which it is used, it could have been easily avoided. It's done just to do it. Fairly unintelligent, about on par with drunkenness. Besides, the version on subconscious is all right with me. I also vote DT unplugged. Anyway, I still like DT music, I'm staying here too, so fire away...sticks and stone may break my bones but flames won't hurt me.. M.A. VanOpstall email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (Trey Allen) To: email_address_removed Subject: stuff... Message-ID: I have three things to say in this post: 1) Someone mentioned DT opening for a large band such as Van Halen. This would be cool to let more people hear them (personally I don't know how anyone could hear music like this being played live and not become orgasmiclly blown away!). But I have a hard time seeing this come true. For one reason if DT opened for VH, VH would be blown off the stage! Eddie is a GREAT guitarist, but JP blows him away. DT would almost make VH suck! As a matter of fact I can't can't think of any large (large meaning having an extremely large following nation wide such as VH, Arosmith, Metallica ect) band DT wouldn't blow off the stage. Thats a pretty cooll thought! 2) Someone in Ytsejam 852 said something about Awake being a better album than I&W and that he thought most Ytsejammers felt I&W's was better. I am one of those. I love Awake, but I feel they sort of got away from what I&W's was about. "Erotimania" and "Scarred" both some pretty intricate and techniqully advanced material on them but nothing like "Metropolis" which is one of my favorite song. One thing I feel changed a little on Awake was the the band as an ensamble (spelling?). As I mentioned before, "Scarred" had some really cool stuff on it (Metropolis-ly speaking) and doesn't really apply to this next comment, but many of the other songs, when they got Metropolis-y, seemed to lack that feeling of a unified structure working together as a whole to create this type of advanced music. "Erotimania" is a prime example of this. It seems as more of solo song than a song that would be on I&W. And don't go crazy now thinking that I feel everything that DT does must be like I&W's but it's just the stuff that first made me such a huge fan of them and also happens to be my favorite stuff (Metropolis, Learning to Live, Ytsejam, Take the Time, Scarred ect.). I just love it when John P or Kevin Moore can play a solo with out me thinking of it as one. It just seems as part of the song versus a solo ANY other band would do. 3) I think we should decide as a group a way to define DT. Since there are no other bands that can really compare to them, when people ask what they are like, what should we say? I feel a good description of them which we all agreed on would help us turn on more people to DT and in turn help out them. I would be happy to keep track of all your ideas and post them in a small bunch which we could then vote on. Tell me your opinion on this issue. Trey Allen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Corrections: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jun 1995, Hairball wrote: > > 2) "Best" Concept Album. O:M is ONE OF the best concept albums...perhaps > the best "Metal" concept album...but, it's not considered "The Best" > concept album of all time. That honor usually goes to PF's "The Wall." But... I prefer "The Final Cut", and there are lots of great concept albums. "Misplaced Childhood" by Marillion is my favorite album. "Quadrophenia" is another great one. If you're into concept albums, the new Saga CD is "Generation 13" and is said to be a departure from their recent pop stuff. > > 3) Could someone inform me where any band member has called "Awake" a > concept album? Just curious as to whether or not I've missed something, > or it's simply a case of people thinking too much... Probably not a concept album in the true sense, but there are many ties that bind it all together. > > 4) I&W v. AWAKE (again): I hate the drums on I&W. The more I listen to > that (after hearing Awake), the more they bother me...and a lot of > other production stuff really bugs the crap out of me. It just sounds > so processed! Sure, maybe all of you like nice, overproduced material, > especially after WDADU, but, after hearing what a REAL production team > can do with DT, I&W just pales in comparison. I like the songs better on I&W and since I'm not a production hound, the production on I&W doesn't bother me as much as it could. Since hearing the complaints about the triggered snare, I am MUCH more aware of it when I listen nowadays. It is rather annoying. Thanks guys :) > Barron/Purdell are > great. It actually sounds like a band - not like a bunch of sequencers. Only the drums sound sequenced (i know they're not). Very few keyboard parts on I&W strike me as having a sequenced feel. I always liked Kevin because his playing is very technical while still having personality. Some keyboard parts on AWAKE have a sequenced feel. IMHO, I think more so than I&W. > And as for the writing on Awake: If they'd put out another I&W, I would've > tossed all my DT stuff. Probably the reason I like Awake more than I&W > is simply because it's NOT like I&W. Same reason why I don't like AWAKE as much as I&W :) Yeah, I&W has it's moments, but, > Awake's just a better album, writing-wise as well. Why? Lemme tell yas a > story... > > > Basically, what I'm driving at here is this - I&W sold FAR more > copies than Awake...at least in this country. (I dunno about Europe. They > seem to have their shit together - maybe DT ought to go the Zappa route, > and tell the American audiences to "Sit Down, Shut Up, and Listen.") Why? Damn- are you saying that I&W isn't a "Sit Down, Shut Up, and Listen" album? > Because it wasn't another "PMU" album. While PMU is a great radio song or headbanging song. isn't the same true for "Caught In A Web"? > Some of the best material around > is stuff that DIDN'T SELL WELL to the masses, Some of the best material around is also stuff that DID SELL WELL to the masses. The aforementioned "The Wall" album is a good example. > Especially if you're > looking for Material that's off the beaten path. Proof? KING'S X- Anything. > Galactic Cowboys. And select Kansas albums. Monolith aside, some Kansas albums didn't sell well because they were inferior to most Kansas. And my favorite King's X "Faith Hope And Love" is probably their best seller. > > As a matter of fact, the next album I buy is going to be Toto's > "Isolation." It didn't sell for squat, yeilded one minor hit, "Stranger > in Town," which I liked a lot, and features a different vocalist (I think > this was the beginning of the phase where Bobby Kimball had left the > group, and they had like a different vocalist every other album...don't > quote me though.) Why? Because, for me, the shit that everyone else buys > is simply that. Very elitist. While there are lots of gems that don't crack the top 100, there are also some that do. Not as much as there used to be, though. > > I won't apologize for the length of this. And I won't apologize for not editing it better. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:35:35 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Lots of stuff to cover Message-ID: Yeah, I've been lurking for quite a while, too. "Now I've got bases to cover!"-okay....... First, about I&W vs. Awake, I'm gonna have to say I like I&W a little bit better. It has a more "classical" feel to it, and the keyboard work is noticably better (There isn't anything that really stands out on Awake if you take away that awesome keyboard solo during 6:00, correct me if I'm wrong). Also I&W seems to be more "progressive".(More time changes, more complex melodies, etc.) And it also has my favorite DT song(not the best, because "all the DT songs are best", just the one I prefer to listen to the most)- Take The Time. At first I didn't think anyone shared my opinion of 6:00 being a great song(No one really talked about it) but I agree. It's my fave(the one I prefer) off Awake. About the best DT moment, it's got to be, like I said before, the outro of Innocence Faded. There. That's it. I don't have to say anything else about it. Ytsejammers in the west? Right here. San Jose, CA. Here's to DT moving somewhere close to us! heh heh. Ytsejammers in high school? Right here. 17. Soon to be senior. There don't seem to be many high school students in this area that listen to DT. Kinda sucks sometimes. (I couldn't find anyone to drive me to their last concert, so I missed it.) What do ytsejammers do? Well, I'm obviously a student. I study. I'm very studious. I'm also a keyboardist. Destined for rock stardom in a progressive band. j/k. I wish. Oh yeah, to that guy who can play the middle part to Learning to Live, same here! I've figured out the part of Wait For Sleep up to the part where James sings "He shuts the doors and light...". It's not *that* hard. I just bought the I&W tab book so I'll learn the rest later (if it has the keyboard part) So far I've learned to play two "solos" from the book: the one in PMU right before James sings "Watch the sparrow falling..." and the dual guitar/keyboard melody in TTT right after the PMU riff. (I think I learned the guitar part) This one is really hard to play!!! Right now I'm trying to learn the guitar solo in Surrounded(the one after James sings "Let the light surround you!!". It's impossible. I don't think it's possible for a keyboard to play guitar notes that fast. If anyone can play this, I'm impressed. And yes, it goes for me too. If anyone has any keyboard transcriptions e-mail me too. e-mail me too. If anyone's still reading,(sorry for the length) how does one download DT interactive from AOL? I can't seem to find it. Crimson Glory- yeah I listen to this band. Transcendence is awesome, especially the solo in Eternal World. I don't really care for Strange but Beautiful, though. Does anyone know any other albums of theirs worth getting? Echolyn- The reason I like this band is because they have a different sound. Some melodies may clash, but it still sounds cool. They obviously aren't conformists as stated in the lyrics of their second song. And they could write melodically if they wanted to, just listen to their the last song on the album. Okay, okay I'll stop. Deebor This might be a little late, but I vote Unplugged. bye. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:57:04 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Mindcrime the best? No way Message-ID: I'm afraid Mindcrime isn't the best conceptual album of all time, not by a long shot. Pink Floyd beats it twice with The Wall (the overall best) and Dark Side of the Moon, and who can forget Rush's 2112 and Hemispheres. But yes, Mindcrime was awesome, and yes, Awake was a good attempt. AMBI is great, it's just not as tight an album overall. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:57:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Jason T. Breitweg" To: email_address_removed Subject: German Radio and Tours.. Message-ID: Hi All, Well it looks we are going to get shafted by the German radio station that was supposed to be playing some Dream Theater. I have listened to the thing all day and I have heard nothing (unless they only played one song and I missed it). But boy am I sick on hearing Joe Cocker and Rod Stewart songs. That is all that they have been playing the whole day. I guess that I am glad that I didn't shell out the 62 DM to go the show and only see DT for 1.5 hours. Enough of my ranting about that. Does anyone know if on the DT headlining German dates they are going to have special t-shirts? Since I can't make it to any of the shows I was hoping that maybe some thoughtful jammer might be able to get me one and I could reimburse you. If anyone can help me please drop me some mail. Now for some non-DT content. On June 25 here in Hamburg there is going to be a great concert. Three bands...Rage, Iced Earth, and Discredit. I have heard some Rage and they kick ass. Has anyone heard Iced Earth? What do they sound like? If anyone out there is going to this and wants to get together before the show drop me a line. A German friend of mine and I will be there for sure. Also everyone go buy Blind Guardian stuff! They really rock! But of course I like them because they write some Dungeons and Dragons type songs (which I have always been partial to). They sound a bit like out Fates to give you a reference point. Jason +-------Jason T. Breitweg--------------Internet: email_address_removed.de------+ | The world is full of kings and queens | | that blind your eyes and steal your dreams... | +---------------------------It's Heaven and Hell!-----------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:24:10 +1200 From: euan@waikato.ac.nz To: email_address_removed Subject: Maiden Jam! Message-ID: >What do you think the chances of Dream Theater playing a Iron Maiden >song on tour? I would love just to hear ONE! thats all I ask. Would >anyone agree with me? I know they like to jam the maiden...but let's >hear it! Good idea! What about a poll do pick a song they should play? My vote is for 'The Clairvoyant' or 'Phantom of the Opera' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:49:27 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Randall Braun) To: email_address_removed Subject: Expletives, obscenities and profanity Message-ID: Expletives, obscenities and profanity: To many people these terms are synonymous. I, personally do not care for the public use of them (Ephesians 4:29). But I would guess that 99.9% of all people use some sort of private expletives when they get P.O.'ed at something; some terms are considered more mild or intense than others, often reflecting the state of the person at the moment. Obscenities might describe the more intense terms used by some. They also lose their value when abused and over used. Profanities real refer to using the name of God in vain (blasphemy) (see the TEN COMMANDENTS: Exodus 20:7, Deut. 5:11) Expletives are words that we use to express certain types of feelings that have no proper, less vulgar, forms of expression; they_do_have_their proper place. The use of the 'F' word in ACOS may be entirely appropriate; I don't know, since I would need to see it in context (we are all waiting for the studio version). Even those of us with a Christian background and belief have been known to use the 'F' word and related terms when appropriate; just look/listen to Gary Cherone /Extreme on 'Cynical (F___)' from their 'Punchline' CD (Its not on the cover, just the lyrics page). He's using the word to make a point. Another issue: Is YTSEJAM just supposed to be about DT only or is it a forum for Y'Jammers? As other have wriitten earlier (and in my IHMO), it's mainly about DT, buts also about Y'Jammers and why they are Y'Jammers. For example, what music do J'Yammers (and DT) listen to when they they're not listening to DT. This info has introduced me to some other excellent bands that don't get very much, if any, radio airplay. Their is a lot of good Progmetal out there beyond the waste(d)land of pop crap. Also a lot of interesting stuff about music, per se. Also I would like some (guitarits'?) opinions on the following guitarists: more recent: Gary Hoey, Mark Bonilla, Paul Gilbert legends: Richie Blackmore, Carlos Santana, Ronnie Montrose, Robin Trower also, an interesting typo from d851: '...but people have to open mined (sic) and play along with things...' Open mining people--what a concept: open mining the mental environment, and what of the Dregs? And as to what I do: I'm an under-employed computer hack (Mac, MS-DOS and Windows (Windows 95 looks like a blotted Mac desktop; will probably require its own harddrive, its sooo big), IHMO)), and with a MS in Pharmacology (drug research, NOT THE SAME AS PHARMACY). --Randall L. Braun 'To write or to speak is almost inevitably to lie a little. It is an attempt to clothe an intangible in tangible form; to compress an immeasurable into a mold. And in the act of compression, how Truth is mangled and torn!' -- Anne Morrow Lindbergh And how come you don't understand me? And how come I don't understand you? Thirty years say we're in this together So open your eyes. People in prayer for me everyone there for me Sometimes I feel I should face this alone My soul exposed..... Give up on misery Turn your back on dissent Leave their distrust behind Wash your hands of regret --Dream Theater, Scarred, (see Gospel of John, esp. Ch 13-21) When I was younger, I thought I knew where I stood; now that I'm growing older, I find the ground keeps moving --Youthquakes & Hardaches ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 16:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: fuck context in ACOS Message-ID: > > for all of you wondering about the "fuck" in the new ACOS, here is > > the context of it. (by ear, so dont hold me to this) :) > > > > and i don't need your mass you fuck > > to get me through the day VS. > and i don't need your sympathy > to get me through the day personally, i like the first version...it's a lot more powerful and angry. tim a. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 95 19:00:42 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT MID-WEST CON!!! Message-ID: Greetings to all you Ytsejamers! I believe we should set up a DREAM THEATER Convention out here in the mid-west! I live in Overland Park Kansas. Hell...how much more MID-WEST can you get? (grin). ANYONE interested in such a thing? Of course...it would be more realistic to set it around the tour dates in the area. IF YOU ARE interested. Write me e-mail: email_address_removed and tell me what area/town you live in. It would probably be around NOV 10th or 11th. I believe they are scheduled to be in St. Louis/Kansas City at this time. Let's hope and pray! see ya! Todd email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:36:07 -0500 From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt) To: email_address_removed Subject: Awake vs I&A Message-ID: Hi everyone. I've been reading for a couple of weeks now, and I find it refreshing to see that there are a ton of music fans out there with excellent taste. Being a huge Yes/Rush/Genesis fan, it's nice to have a band like DT around, using my favorite bands as influences, thus making them one of my favorite bands today. Although I think I am in the minority, I do like Awake a tad better than I & A. I find the production and overall sound superior on Awake. I loved the way they progressed their style with more of an edge. J.P.'s sound, technique, solos, and diversity are much better. The solos on Voices and Lie blow me away. M.P. blows me away! I never thought anyone could be as good or better than Neil Peart, but............ How come no one ever mentions Erotomania? I think it's the best song on the album. J.P.'s best guitar work ever! I love the way they throw in Rush, Yes, even a little Gentle Giant. I think I have to go listen to again right now, for the millionth time. Any DT fans from Canada out there? Love to hear from you. Also wondering if anyone can help me out to find WDADU? I've never heard it! It's been deleted up here! Any fellow jammers out there want to help a guy out? Cheers, Ian Ian Mowatt imowatt@escape.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:39:41 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Mike Patrick) To: email_address_removed Subject: Zebra Message-ID: >P.S. I noticed inside Images and Words some of the "thanks to"..and >noticed...a thank you to Zebra crue. Is this refering the band Zebra. >If so...I love this group. Are they still around? There has been talk of Zebra on this list for the last 2 years on and off. I think their live album is the last thing they did (don't have it) and Randy Jackson released a solo album, I think call 'China Rain', but I never did see the thing. It must have had VERY limited distribution. Can anyone add any info? Bueller? Mike Patrick email_address_removed Still searching for that elusive corner of the Net where civility is all the rage and the content is substantive. Ah, screw it. Who am I kidding? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:56:55 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 856 Message-ID: Dear jammers, My favorite DT moment has to be at the Manhattan Center on Oct. 28th 1994. The lights dim, there was some muttering (does anyone kmow what the recording said?). Then. . . . . . WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! Pull Me Under starts, no one is on stage. Then Mike Portnoy comes out and starts beating his drum sticks together to the beat and to the clapping of the audience. Suddenly, the Johns and Derek come out and start playing the beginning chords and the crowd continues to push me harder into the rail. John Petrucci is three feet away from me when the lights began to flash to the beat, and I only see John's black shadow flashing in front of me. When the flashing ended, James appears out of nowhere and began to sing ,"Lost in the sky..." and everyone around me sings with him. Well, that was my moment. I wish it could happen all over again, with Dream Theater opening with Pull Me Under and the flashes again. That was soooooooooo cool!!! Yours, Jeff =) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:50:54 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t To: email_address_removed Subject: I&W vs AWAKE Message-ID: I just wanted to say that to me, one of the advantages that I&W has over AWAKE is DEFINED, COMPLETELY blazing, DUET guitar/keyboard solos like the ones in TTT and Metropolis (oh, by the way, a moment of silence in honor of the man of steel's quick recovery!). Just, my $.02 However, I must denounce this sort of comparison/competition between DT albums. They're ALL great. If all the members of DT each cut a loud fart in tune, I'd still consider it a masterpiece of music! They fucking rule! you move me, you move me... John Nguyen ps - Queensryche kicked ass; Type-O sucked! pss - I'm a computer science major (sophomore) ppss - my vote's in for a KC ytse-con! I'm from Wichita! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 01:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" To: email_address_removed Subject: singles for sale Message-ID: I have a couple extra Silent Man and Lie singles for sale (both imports with cool bonus trackes like To Live Forever, Eve, Take the Time(demo)). They are $16 each including shipping in the US. Please mail me for more info. Thanks! -- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" email_address_removed * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 23:49:11 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Steve Balderrama) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 854 Message-ID: A few thoughts from previous posts: >> What do you do.... I am a software engineer, looking to go back to a school for a PHD in computer science or physics or a combo of the two. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that techies seem to get into DT. >> I&W verses Awake This one is tough. It took me a bit longer to get into Awake (even though I like hard music), but now it is by far one of my Fav albums. I think I liked James singing better in I&W... the "rock star" voice he sometimes uses on Awake bugs me a bit. 6:00 is a great song. And the more I listen to it, the more I think that "Lie" is one of the best "heavy" songs ever written. As a "hacker" musician (guitar), All DT albums blow me away. These guys are just so *tight*. >> Fav DT moments: Hard one to call. The vocal part of Lie just before the "grunge" part "you can tell your stepfather I said so" always gets me, I dunno why. Lie is a great song. It keeps you off balance. The intro to the solo section right after the "grunge" section just seems so "dream theatreish" to me. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 857 *************************