YTSEJAM Digest 847 Today's Topics: 1) DT tour dates !!! by email_address_removed.de (Silke Goebel) 2) YTSE Convention by email_address_removed 3) Re: DT UNPLUGGED! by Matthias Murra 4) DT Fanclub and I & W fanzine by email_address_removed 5) I got my Subcon!! by email_address_removed.ac.at (Obiltschnig Guenter) 6) Ytsecon/ACOS bootleg by Corporate Community Relations 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 846 by Hairball 8) Help with DT Song Book by email_address_removed 9) Hey...Waitaminute! by Hairball 10) WDAJU/Unplugged by Larry G Waterfield 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 845 by email_address_removed 12) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 846 by email_address_removed 13) Re: Prater Production by Adam Vernon 14) To Live Forever by email_address_removed (Jeff Forte) 15) Sorry! by Mantia_Andras 16) Free CD's? by Mantia_Andras 17) Re: DT UNPLUGGED! by Robert C Devereux 18) Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 846 by email_address_removed 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 846 by Rohit Modak 20) Re: New Kansas by email_address_removed (Ed Payne) 21) Re: Prater Production by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 22) Subconcious and Eve.... by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 12:17 MET DST From: email_address_removed.de (Silke Goebel) To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: DT tour dates !!! Message-ID: Dream Theater 1995 tour dates: 6/18 Lueneburg, Flughafen (Rock Over Germany festival) 6/20 Kassel, Musiktheater (DT & guest) 6/21 Lichtenfels, Stadthalle (DT & guest) 6/24 Schwalmstadt, Flugplatz Ziegenhain (R.O.G. festival) 6/25 Duesseldorf, Phillipshalle (R.O.G. festival) 6/27 Donaueschingen, Donauhalle (DT & guest) 6/28 Saarbruecken, Kulturfabrik (DT & guest) 7/02 Muenchen, Olympiastadion (R.O.G. festival) 7/09 Frauenfeld / Switzerland (Out In The Green festival) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 09:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSE Convention Message-ID: Hello everyone, it's BABS. I've been extremely busy at work so this is really the first time that I have had a chance to post about the Convention. So here goes: 1:10 PM - Babs arrives Long Island via commuter plane w/ my best friend Nannette (I absolutely made her come with me because I was so afraid that I was going to be the only girl at the convention). 2:00 PM - Babs and Nannette arrive the hotel. I tried to take a nap (I had not slept on Thursday or Friday night because I was so wound up about the convention and also I was trying to finalize arrangements with the Sheraton). 2:05 PM - Babs can't sleep, so I pester Mike next door (he flew in all the way from Tuscon, AZ) to come to the convention. Mike and I go downstairs to check out the banquet room, banquet room has not been set up yet and they had these gigantic tables in there that did not belong there. Hotel assures me that they will have everything set up by 5:00 PM. After that I go back upstairs to take a nap when the phone rings. It's the crew from Connecticut calling from two doors down saying that their car fell off the ferry and into the water with all the name tags. I new better than to believe this. Next thing I knew they were knocking on my door. Still no nap for BABS! The CT crew tells me that they are going down to the lounge and I tell them that I planned on going out to dinner w/ a friend from Massapequa and that I wanted to catch a nap before going. Babs goes back to bed and the phone rings. It's my friend from Massapequa saying that she is ready to go to an EARLY dinner. NO NAP FOR BABS! After dinner I scurry upstairs hoping to grab a quick shower and change for the convention. NO SHOWER FOR BABS. The CT crew knocks on the doors and says that they are headed downstairs to check out the banquet room. They then proceed to insult me and Nannette about the condition of our room. That we had made a mess of it already. 6:15 PM - Babs arrives the banquet room and am surprised to see the amount of people already there! I get warm fuzzies meeting everyone and places faces to the names. Shortly after Gail Flug, President of the DT Fan Club, arrives. She's another half-pint like myself and we have a great time chatting. 7:45 - 8:00 PM - People start to get restless. Brian Wherry and I take advantage of Mike Kizer's trivia cards and start doing 70's trivia. While this is going on I get nervous and walk over to see Gail. I whisper in her ear "You don't think that they would stand us up do you". She's like "Don't worry, they'll be here". TIME STANDS STILL! Gail Flug and I are talking next to the door when the room got quiet for a few seconds. In the doorway is Mike and the guys. Wow!!! Then the room started to get active right away. Wow!!!! At that point the convention kind of took on a life of it's own! People mingled, autographs were signed. Mike P had brought some posters from Germany and I think Italy and we started to raffle them off. More mingling. We did attempt do celebrate w/ the Ytseslam (the official DT drink). I told Mike P what we had planned and I asked him his alcohol preference. Which like Nathan Bradley had predicted was Yagermeister (Spell?). Of course there was none of that to be found. Then we went to his next choice, (I can't remember what that was), but to no avail - couldn't be found. Then the bartender informs Tim Adams that he cannot sell shots, that it would have to be a regular drink that would sell for $4.50. The drink consisted of three shots of Jack Daniels (if I remember correctly). Tim got the drinks for the band members and I think that there were only a handful of Ytsejammers willing to try it. Mike P took the time to thank ALL OF THE YTSEJAMMERS for coming out to the convention. Then he hinted that they would like to see it become an ongoing thing and stared me straight in the eyes (I could feel mental telepathy/guilt coming from him - ha ha). In all honesty, I would not mind doing this again. The only stipulation is that I want to see MORE people attend and I WANT THE FLAMING BETWEEN JEFF CHEW'S END AND MY END TO STOP. REMEMBER WE ALL LOVE DREAM THEATER AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW THEY GOT TO THE CONVENTION, BUT THAT THEY WERE THERE. THEY WERE THERE BECAUSE THEY GENUINELY APPRECIATE THEIR FANS, NOT A LOT OF OTHER BANDS DO. REMEMBER THAT!!!!! As mentioned in a previous post, as I was finalizing the monetary arrangements with the Sheraton. Jeff Chew started to play the Silent Man while his brother began to sing. It was wonderful for me to hear everyone left in the room start singing. It was really a beautiful experience and I wish that John P could have heard it. Perhaps someone should have taped that? Again, I want to thank everyone who did come to the convention. WE BROKE EVEN ON THE MONETARY END. THAT'S RIGHT. NOT ONE PERSON (PARDON THE EXPRESSION) FUCKED ME. EVERYBODY PAID ME THE $25. THAT IS TRULY FANTASTIC. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTING THAT WAS!!!!!! That was the first thing that I told management when they called me on Monday morning was that everyone had paid. Management also told me that Derek was the first one to call them and say that he received such a "good vibe". Management also expressed that Mike and John M felt the same way too! Sincerely, -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:53:32 +0200 From: Matthias Murra To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT UNPLUGGED! Message-ID: >You gotta be kidding me!!!!! This would be unbelievable!!! I would just >about kill to get a copy of this, and in CD form?!?!?!?!?!? Oh my god! >Yes, please please, please, please do it!!!! I second that! I'd *definetely* go for DT UNPLUGGED first! Let's have it NOW! ;-) Wow, "Perfect Strangers" and "Wait For Sleep" done with the guitar would be enough to make me want this CD *BAD*! I want one (or two, or three ...)!!! :) Do it, pleeeeeeeeeease! :-) Greets, Matt (drooling strongly) | Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood | | Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding | | University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" | | Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:36:08 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Fanclub and I & W fanzine Message-ID: Anyone who knows the addreses to subscribe to the I & W fanzine and/or knows who to write to about the Fanclub that has the never-hear-from-them-again-after-they-cash-your-check-syndrome please e-mail me. I asked for this a month or so ago, got it, and promptly put it off until I lost the information. BTW...about Mike and Derek moving to Arizona....I don' think so. They need to see green forests, snow-capped mountains, and a beautiful coastline. So it will have to be here in Portland, Oregon. I just have to figure a way to make them believe that it gets really hot here more than 12 days a year....hot = > 65 degrees. really hot = > 90 degrees. Mike Bahr....I wish I had the bucks to go and buy another stereo Hi-Fi VCR.......those videos sound great. Later ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:14:32 -0200 (MET DST) From: email_address_removed.ac.at (Obiltschnig Guenter) To: email_address_removed Subject: I got my Subcon!! Message-ID: Hi there! I just feel the need to tell you that my Subconscious CD arrived last Tuesday!!! THANK YOU MIKE!!! Guenter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 09:46:13 EDT From: Corporate Community Relations To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytsecon/ACOS bootleg Message-ID: In response to ... >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:09:24 -0700 (MST) >From: Michael Bahr >Subject: A Cornucopia of Chat > >2. As far as Jeff taping ACOS... he's owned up to it, apparently it >didn't happen, so I guess it's a dead issue now. I would suggest to >everyone that we don't keep riding Jeff about this, because it's not as >if he pulled a Jeremy Haynes on us. What are you talking about, Mike? "apparently it didn't happen..." -- *I* was there and saw/heard it first hand. Mike Portnoy made it pretty clear when he pulled the tapes of ACOS/the RS gig out of his pocket, that these were FRESH out of the studio, and that noone outside of the band had heard these ... he joked that people please put away their tape recorders, but I think he was seriously concerned about someone bootlegging the preview and distributing it. There are copywright issues at hand here, folks. I know ytsejammers hate to think of such trivial music business issues, but they're real. My suggestion -- that dude who bootlegged ACOS destroy the copy in good faith and DO NOT distribute it in trades! my 0.02... Buck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Hairball To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 846 Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed (David Neff) > >Ask Dave what he thinks of our drummer... > > Yowie-zowie, he is good! Not many local bands do really good > drum solos any more (at least not around here). :( In fact, everyone > in the band is really good, especially Hairball on bass, natch. Bonus! Thanks, Dave! =) > Looking forward to seeing Spruce Street Revival again > (that IS the name, isn't it?) If you'd gotten it wrong, I wouldn't have complained =) > P.S. Hairball's post was somewhat DT related because I wore my I&W > shirt, FYI. (That must have been what he meant...!) Well...that, and you're a Ytse Jammer... *********************************************************** > Mike Patrick wrote: > >Um, this has been talked about before, but ever heard of Stu Hamm? I bet > >John Myung has. Yeah, he has. I talked to him about it - hard to get John to talk, ya know? He said, "Oh Yeah! He's a Monster!" (and that was it!) Stu at his best? God...um...I like "Radio Free Albemuth","Kings Of Sleep," and stuff off of "The Urge," including his 'Quahhogs, Anyone?' live bass solo...and he's always great on any live Satriani you can come across. Far better than that Matt "Mr. 8th Notes" Bissonette character. Blech. ************************************************************ > The Doc Wrote: > I don't think Prater is producing the EP... nothing that I've heard > anyways... I thought someone who was at the YtseCon said that... > I have noticed that his productions are rather sickly generic sounding and > sort of thin... Yeah, I definitely agree...though he did a fairly nice job with Glen Burtnick's "Heroes & Zeros." Worth checking out, if you can find it. Very poppy, but, good anyway. ************************************************************* Take it easy, all... -Hairball ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 95 08:29:51 PST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Help with DT Song Book Message-ID: Hi all, I am currently in the process of creating a DT Song Book (a file containing all their lyrics, similar to the Pearl Jam one if you know what that is). I currently have all 3 studio albums and the Majesty demo done (I am working on the stuff from Subconsious right now). I'll let everyone know when I get the first revision done, so you can get a copy. What I need is the detailed breakdown of the samples on Awake (I think someone posted those here a couple of months ago), if you could email me those privately I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance... p.s., I found a music store in little old Tucson that had about 6 copies of the Awake Tab book and 4-5 copies of the I&W book (must have a fan there)... +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation | | Office (email only): email_address_removed | | Home: email_address_removed | | "It's harder to sit, when everyone else is standing, | | To shake your head as the world just nods away." | | - "as the world", echolyn | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Hairball To: Dream Theater Subject: Hey...Waitaminute! Message-ID: Damn! Dave gave away my real name! UGH! =) eh, please call me hairball. a) I like it more than my real name b) There are no other Hairballs on the jam (not with that name, anyway) Take it light! =) -Hairball, not that other nasty name. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:29:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Larry G Waterfield To: email_address_removed Subject: WDAJU/Unplugged Message-ID: Hi guys! (strictly uni-sex) I know the response so far has been overwhelmingly for Unplugged, but I'd like to make a vote for WDAJU. I guess it's because of how the whole acoustic thing has been beaten to death and beyond by eMpTyV (Clapton and STP on rotation every 5 mins.). It's just way too damn trendy. Also, I think the songs would lack something without JP's electric sound (I actually liked his sound on all three albums) that just couldn't be made up with the novelty of an acoustic sound. I haven't heard any of it yet, but I can imagine how MP's kit would be toned down so as not to drown out the guitar. And now for the kicker: The bass sound (my favorite inst. :) ) is ALWAYS butchered for the sake of the guitar in this sort of thing. Yech. Then again, it IS DT, so I'd probably enjoy it anyway and if anyone can pull it off, they can. So am I the only vote for WDAJU? Is this because everyone's just gotten their Subconcious CD? By the way, Mike; I'm WAITING!! :) Have a great day! Glenn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L. Glenn Waterfield "Listen brain; I don't like you and you don't "Physics advisor like me, so let's just get this over with so to the stars" I can get back to killing you with beer." Argonne National Labs -- Homer J. Simpson email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:28:36 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 845 Message-ID: > I'll be the second one to vote for DT Unplugged before WDAJU. While >I'd love both, I'd like unplugged better. > Also am I the only DT fan in the Midwest?!? Doesn't seem to be many >out there! No you're not the only DT fan in the Midwest! Hehe, did you go to the concert in KC? Pretty packed audience....Where in the midwest are you from? James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:38:20 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 846 Message-ID: > someone wrote: > Maybe we SHOULD do a petition of some sort > WE WANT THE BASS TABLATURE. NOW!! likewise for the DRUMS!!!! (anyone agree?) (if I'm mistaken and they're out somewhere, please let me know!) email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Vernon To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Prater Production Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Dr. Mosh wrote: > I don't think Prater is producing the EP... nothing that I've heard > anyways... > > I have noticed that his productions are rather sickly generic sounding and > sort of thin... > > -The Doc Are you saying that Images and Words sounds sickly generic and thin? Sorry, but I have not noticed that. Could you give us some examples for this opinion? -- Adam Vernon "Eat, drink and be merry, email_address_removed For tomorrow we die." - DMB > > -- > #$%*#$*@ REAL: email_address_removed + VIRTUAL: email_address_removed *@#$*@#$ > *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ > **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ > *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:05:03 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Forte) To: email_address_removed Subject: To Live Forever Message-ID: Does anyone know if the version of To Live Forever on Subconscious is the one from LaBrie's audition? 4 MORE DAYS UNTIL THE DT SHOW IN NY.... ________________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Forte email_address_removed "I wanted to find An Innocent Mind, but only found myself waiting" --Kevin Moore ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:34:03 +0000 From: Mantia_Andras To: email_address_removed Subject: Sorry! Message-ID: Hello! Sorry ,but I haven't got the Ytsejam #846 when I wrote my post.So I'm intrested in tapes,live recordings (DT,FW,QR) even if I have to pay for them,just write me if you have some recordings and write the price,too. Maybe I can pay it (if it isn't too much). Anyway,if you have the lyrics of WDADU or for the SCARRED from AWAKE,then please send me.I have only the casette version of Awake,and it's without the Scarred! Andras "I can see much clearer now,I'm blind" - Take The Time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:20:39 +0000 From: Mantia_Andras To: email_address_removed Subject: Free CD's? Message-ID: Well if it isn't a joke I'm intreseted.But I need tapes,not Cd's if you want.And write to me,if I can send or do for you something. Andras (email_address_removed.ro) "I can see much clearer now,I'm blind" - Take The Time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 16:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert C Devereux To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT UNPLUGGED! Message-ID: Excerpts from ytsejam: 9-Jun-95 Re: DT UNPLUGGED! by Matthias Murra@Informati > I second that! I'd *definetely* go for DT UNPLUGGED first! > Let's have it NOW! ;-) Wow, "Perfect Strangers" and "Wait For Sleep" > done with the guitar would be enough to make me want this CD *BAD*! > I want one (or two, or three ...)!!! :) > > Do it, pleeeeeeeeeease! :-) > > Greets, Matt (drooling strongly) Am I the only one who would not want DT UNPLUGGED? While some of their songs might be cool when done acousticly (LTL, SM, etc.), if DT actually did an Uplugged performance or CD, it would seem like a sellout to me. DT has done things their way so far, so why jump on the unplugged bandwagon? Rob Devereux | "...Without music, life would be an error." nero+@CMU.EDU | Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols- http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/rd3z/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 16:14:10 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 846 Message-ID: In a message dated 95-06-09 09:28:17 EDT, you write: >Knowing Mike Portnoy, you probably could've just ASKED for a copy of >ACoS... he probably would've let you tape it right off the >equipment... >Next time something like this happens and you guys want a copy of >some >pre-studio thing... just ask Portnoy... He'll probably let you record >it... no need to sneak around... I'm just glad that my tape deck didn't eat up his tape! (it was my tape deck, BTW). Anyways, I'd like to thanks the guys who want to drop the recording issue. I mean, can't we all just get along? =) Yours, Jeff =) P.S. My tape deck can't dub tapes anymore. That function is broken. P.P.S. My friend Chuck (email_address_removed) has the video of the ytsecon. So, if you want him to dub a copy for you, just contact him. Cool? Don't worry, I'll talk to him ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Rohit Modak To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 846 Message-ID: I was off the digest for a little while and missed some of the news. What's this about someone sneaking around and recording ACOS at the ytsejam convention? Also, if anyone could send me info about how cool the convention was (and more importantly what went on, and what songs did DT play) that would be nice. __________________________________________________________________________ Rohit Modak email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:41:47 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ed Payne) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New Kansas Message-ID: >>A couple of days ago Ed Payne wrote about the new Kansas Freaks of Nature >>disc and how good it is. I must second this as it an outstanding CD and >>a worthy addition to any DT fan's CD collection. >> >>As it was Kansas that originally turned me onto DT I highly recommend this >>bit of musical excellence to all of you. >> > >Does this mean that this new Kansas album is out? Most definitely. At first, it was hard to find but it seems to be getting easier to find. Not only do I know DT fans that like this album, but I know some Kansas fans that now like DT because of the Kansas influence. A good time was had by all... ;^) Ed Payne --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ...To each other they will soon | email_address_removed <- use | | return. Destiny fulfilled, | email_address_removed | | the words will burn... an | | | eternal flame. | Ed Payne | | | His Will Music | | <|> Journey From Mariabronn <|> | Valkaria, FL 32950 | | <|> <|> ---------------------------------------| | <|> KANSAS <|> | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 18:23:00 PDT From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Prater Production Message-ID: On the Eve of Destruction, Adam Vernon said: > > >On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Dr. Mosh wrote: > >> I don't think Prater is producing the EP... nothing that I've heard >> anyways... >> >> I have noticed that his productions are rather sickly generic sounding and >> sort of thin... >> >> -The Doc > >Are you saying that Images and Words sounds sickly generic and thin? >Sorry, but I have not noticed that. Could you give us some examples for >this opinion? > I&W may sound good as you casually listen to it, but if you really listen to the production, you can hear the MIDI-buzz, the extreme EQ'ing of the instruments. Some other examples are Firehouse... He went way too far when he EQ'd that album... There's a lot of noise on I&W.. >-- >Adam Vernon "Eat, drink and be merry, >email_address_removed For tomorrow we die." - DMB > -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ REAL: email_address_removed + VIRTUAL: email_address_removed *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 23:50:55 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Subconcious and Eve.... Message-ID: Mike I just got my Sub CD!! Thanks alot!!! All in under a week...wow!! I also managed to pick up a few other DT tidbits as well. I got "Live Images", a picture disc live album from New York in '93. Pretty good quality plus it has "Vigil/Eve" on it! I also got "The Silent Man" single today. It's got a demo (read under-produced) version of TTT and a studio version of "Eve". "Eve" is beautiful!!! No James or any of the voice overs, but still really really nice...It's been on repeat for hours!! I think I'll even sleep to it!!! :) Mike-is that James singing Winter on Sub??? It sounds like him in a few spots but it also doesn't. Help! Later all! Dave P.S. Go Unplugged!!!! Whee!!! "One you've touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight. Once I reached for Love now I reach for Life." Learning to Live/Dream Theater "Sacrifice they said, is a sign of nobility, But where does one draw the line in the face of injury?" Someone Else?/Queensryche ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 847 *************************