YTSEJAM Digest 837 Today's Topics: 1) Tori Amos (semi-non-DT & LONG!) by email_address_removed 2) qryche set list by "Brian V. Cox" 3) return of the admin by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 4) Subconcious? by email_address_removed 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 833 by email_address_removed 6) YTSE Convention Name Tags by email_address_removed 7) Post YtseCon by email_address_removed (David B. Kuznick) 8) SubCon arrived! by Mats Rydstr\vm 9) Abrupt endings... by "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" 10) various bits by email_address_removed 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 833 by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 12) DT on the east coast? by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 13) King Crimson ticket for sale by javid sadr 14) DT NY shows? by email_address_removed (Egils Kaljo) 15) YTSEJAM digest 833 by "Steven Johnson, P" 16) Could you imagine... by Hairball 17) Mr. Myung in BASS Player by email_address_removed (John Jens, Jr.) 18) Space Dye Vest by email_address_removed 19) Rap again by email_address_removed (Jeff Stern) 20) Dream Sounds Like... by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:55:55 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Tori Amos (semi-non-DT & LONG!) Message-ID: Hi everyone, Hope you all had a great Memorial Day weekend, BTW! :) Ken Higginson asked: >>>Got a question for the long-time subscribers of this list: [...] I remember an interview with Mike Portnoy in Europe, with DT warming up in the background, and I think Kevin was playing a Tori Amos song, but I can't remember which one. All I remember from the interview is the guy asking Mike to play "March of the Tyrant" Can anyone tell me what song Kev was playing? And didn't they cover a Tori Amos song when they plays that cover show in NY a while ago?<<< Kev was playing along w/"Song For Eric" while Mike was doing the interview (if it's the same interview I'm thinking of). DT did a verse or two of "Winter" at the Ronnie Scott's cover gig earlier this year & I _think_ that's the only time they've covered a Tori song, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. :) A lot of people have asked me via e-mail about the origins of Kev's version of "Song For Eric," some going so far as to ask me how Kevin enjoyed _working_ w/Tori on the track(!!), so I should probably elaborate on this a little bit. :) I had a feeling I'd have to answer this on the list sooner or later, so I'm including some additional information for questions that may come up afterwards as well. This is going to take up some space, so please delete now & avoid the rush if you don't enjoy rambling reminiscences of DT days past. :) Read at your own risk. That aforementioned interview w/Mike P is sort of the reason Kev's version of "Song For Eric" exists. I believe that interview was actually posted here on YJ a long time ago, during the _I&W_ tour. I wasn't subscribed to YJ at that time, but a friend of mine was & was nice enough to forward the interview to me. (My references to this interview are entirely from memory, so please excuse any minor discrepancies. :) I was taken aback when I read that Tori was being playing over the PA system while Mike was doing the interview, not only because I was a huge fan of hers & only knew of maybe two or three other DT fans who were also Tori fans at that time (you all know who you are :), but also because I already knew Mike, yet had no idea that anyone in the band had even listened to Tori's music at all. I was even moore shocked when Mike joked in the interview that she was Kevin's "idol" & that he was playing keyboard accompaniment along to her singing "Song For Eric" at the soundcheck. I'd never even really talked to Kev at that time, but I knew that if he was a big Torifan, I would have to make a point of doing so in the future. :) Since I already knew Mike somewhat, as soon as I was able to get in touch w/him again, I told him that I would love to talk to Kevin about our mutual appreciation of the "red-haired goddess" & he said that he'd make sure that we were introduced properly the next time they played LA. :) Obviously, as you all know by now, we _were_ finally introduced &, not surprisingly, initially became friends mostly because of our mutual love of Tori's music. Anyway, I told Kev at that time that I knew about him playing along w/"Song For Eric" at the soundcheck over in Europe & asked if he had somehow managed to record it because I would have _died_ to have heard it. ;) Unfortunately, no, he didn't record it, and to make matters worse, he said that his Tori CD single that contained that track, along w/most of the rest of his CDs, were stolen at an airport at customs when they were coming back to the US. :( (For those of you who are not rabid Tori collectors, "Song For Eric" was on a limited edition CD single that was already out-of-print by that time. It is available on several Tori bootleg CDs now, however.) He then asked me if I would be so kind as to tape that Tori CD single, along w/some other hard-to-find Tori audio, onto a DAT for him so that he could at least have a copy of the song. I said, "sure," of course, and added, "I'd really love to hear you play along w/it one day, that would be like a dream come true," not knowing what my innocent request would ultimately turn into. ;) So I made Kev a tape & sent it to him shortly thereafter. Although I asked for absolutely nothing in return, he was kind enough to send me an original copy of the _Majesty_ demo, an Afterlife promo CD single & a DT Japanese tour t-shirt to say thanks for the tape. :) Whatta guy. :) As if THAT wasn't enough... ...I didn't hear from Kev again for about three months, then I got a call from him late one night, which really surprised me because I had never given him my phone number! (He called directory assistance, thank God I was listed. :) The first thing he said was, "I just wanted to ask you if you'd like to hear MY version of 'Song For Eric'?" Like he even had to ASK?? ;) He said that he recorded it for me to say thanks for helping him out by giving him a copy of the song, and also as his own little tribute to Tori. :) He said he was also going to put a couple of his own, personal demos on the tape, even though he thought they "sucked." ;) (As those of you who have the demos know by now, that tape that he sent had the "Space-Dye Vest" & "Blanket" demos on it too.) Sorry this is getting so long, but hopefully, it will answer everyone's questions at one time. The next most commonly-asked question is, "has Tori heard Kev's version of 'Song For Eric'?" Happily, the answer is YES & she loves it. :) I'm also proud to say that I'm the lucky person who was able to get a copy of the song into Tori's hands. :> Kev knew that I had managed to meet Tori a couple of times before in the past & he asked me if I would "head the campaign" to get a copy of his "version" to her if I ever met her again. Once again, I said, "sure," of course, and I did manage to do so during her last tour, enclosing w/the tape of the song a letter explaining to her who Kev was, what was on the tape, etc. I didn't think I'd ever find out what she thought of it until she was scheduled to be a special guest on-line at Prodigy. At least a hundred people must have asked her questions and I knew she would only be answering a few, so I didn't think I would get a response from her. Luckily, I _did_ and she said she "loved it." :) A lot of people have also asked me if there's any chance that Tori & Kev may actually work together at some point in the future. I wouldn't hold my breath, but anything's possible. :) She knows how to get in touch w/him if she's interested & I'm sure if she does, I'll be the first one Kev calls to brag to about it. ;) Ok, that's it! Hope you learned something! ;) It's strange to think that Mike's innocent comment about Tori during an interview led to all this, huh? :) Take care everyone, Jennifer "You can only interpret something from what your experiences are. What is objectivity? I mean, Jesus Christ, I went to church four days a week for twenty-one years. Do you think I'm objective about Christianity? Give me a break." -Tori Amos, Q&A at UCLA 2-27-95 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 02:18:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brian V. Cox" To: email_address_removed Subject: qryche set list Message-ID: ok, sorry. i forgot DIS CON NEC TED :) it was right after promised land. **always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs** ============================================================================= Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me, "Feeling threatened? email_address_removed "Others steal your thoughts We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind." ============================================================================= check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 00:57:00 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: freaks, ph7, progmaestros, ytsejam Subject: return of the admin Message-ID: Hello, this is Ken Bibb, administrator of arastar.com I've been gone for the last three weeks. If you have submitted any requests to me, it may take as long as a week for me to reply to you (I have over 3000 messages backlogged). I will try to handle your requests as quickly as possible, and they will be handled (mostly) in sequence received. Please don't send duplicate requests to me (requesting that you be, for example, unsubscribed) until you've given me another week to reach your request. If you wish to unsubscribe, the correct way of doing so is to send: unsubscribe list to email_address_removed with a subject of "asdf". (Where "list" is replaced with the name of the list). For example, to unsubscribe from the Dream Theater list (ytsejam) you would send: unsubscribe ytsejam to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf". Thanks for your patience--I will try to handle your requests as quickly as possible. -- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone email_address_removed Don't discourage me email_address_removed Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 03:42:19 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Subconcious? Message-ID: Hey where can one get a copy of this "Subconcious" CD? It sounds really cool but here in Omaha there's only 1 store cool enough to carry anything real (import and bootleg wise that is). Any info would be great! Also if anyone in the Omaha/Lincoln/Council Bluffs area has or knows where I can get the Kevin Moore demos I'd love that too. I head that email_address_removed can but he (she) is not answering. Later. Dave. "All that I deserve is what you were unable to see..." Status Seeker/WDADU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 833 Message-ID: Hello everyone, it's BABS. Just another friendly reminder that I am in the very final stages of the convention arrangements! Also, this is for Bob from St. Catherines, Ontario Canada. That's where my family is from!!!!!!!!!!!! I had Canadian relatives stop by this past weekend at the house (they've been in the U.S. since Victoria Day the week before). I told them that it was my turn to go up there and sponge a meal or two off of them next. So if I wind up on the other side of the border I'll have to try to contact you and say hello! Here's a good one, they told me that one of my cousins couldn't come down to visit because his plane couldn't fly out of Calgary on time because they had to de-ice a couple of times. Isn't that funny? -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:12:30 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSE Convention Name Tags Message-ID: Hello everyone, it's BABS! Wanted to let you know that the name tags are done!!!!!!! Things are really starting to roll! I'm getting so nervous about the convention. Also, I need a few more suggestions for the official Ytseslam drink. Take care, -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 25 08:25:21 -0400 From: email_address_removed (David B. Kuznick) To: email_address_removed Subject: Post YtseCon Message-ID: There is an EXCELLENT band called Braindance playing in NYC the night of the YtseCon. When I saw them open for Hawkwind last month, I immiediately thought they're like a more gothic version of DT (though the lead singer seems a bit "up himself" if you know what I mean). I truly can't imagine any DT fan not liking them at least somewhat. Even me coming from the prog-rock area rather than metal. Anyway, they come on at 11pm at a club in Manhattan (I have the info at home). I'm toying around with the possibility of going. If anyone's interested in going, we can talk about it Saturday at the con. No need to really make any definite plans now; just thought I'ld throw it out as a suggestion. See ya in 4 days! David Kuznick - email_address_removed (preferred) or email_address_removed ___ Another chance to lift my life, Free the sensations in my heart {~._.~} To ride the wings of dreams into changing horizons ( Y ) It brings inner peace within my mind ()~L~() "Learning To Live" - DREAM THEATER (Support US prog-rock!!!) (_)-(_) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:26:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm To: Ytsejam Subject: SubCon arrived! Message-ID: Hi everyone! Yesterday I woke up and decided to write to Mike Bahr and ask if he'd really sent my copy. When I finished breakfast and looked for the mail then there it was suddenly. I ripped it out and pumped it up....YEAH!!!!! Thanx lots Mike, great work! I won't do a long review since so many of you already have, just some words: Many of the recordings were in fact familiar to me, but it was great to have the sound improved like this. Then there were others that I'm very glad that I now have heard! THE BACK PAIN JAM this is so cool, I've never heard them doing a REAL jam, just their so-called improv sections which are not THAT jammed. This, however sounds to me as totally free-form. Ok, they stick to a simple chord-pattern but the do it oh so well. Pity that the original recording wasn't that HiFi, but what the heck! HEAVY JAM also very cool, starts off the usual way with Myung doing harmonics, well I don't mind that. I wouldn't mind seeing a whole show with John M just doing his harmonics-stuff ;-) TEARS wow!!! one of my favourite Rush-tracks, and a good version too. And while on this subject: Could someone please post the complete COVER-GIG setlist. I know they did medley-type-stuff so please also post what they included. This could be in the FAQ! MYSTERY TRACK Now that the competition is over, could someone please tell me what it is, it relates to computers I guess, but what about DT?!? Other faves: Gorilla Session (glad he kept the speed down!) and of course Golden Slumbers, Wow, that number would fit perfectly well into their usual set. Maybe as an encore, yeah the last one, ending with the last part The End. Guys if you're reading this, feel free to do this one if you're doing a cover! Sorry, I don't really think we should try to influence them on what to do, even if they don't care it feels like a strange thing to me to even try. The artist should keep away from doing strictly what the audience wants. We should instead appreciate them for what they do. And if we don't, screw us! ;-) -------------- Oh yeah, there was a 10 minute report/interview with DT (Mike and James) on Swedish TV5 this Saturday. Great to see that a small (relatively) channel like that, that seldom do music-reports, do a report on DT. Not much new stuff to us, but still interesting. Ok, later... /Mats ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:29:05 -0600 (CST) From: "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" To: email_address_removed Subject: Abrupt endings... Message-ID: >From: email_address_removed.ca (LAU JONATHAN) > >Okay there's a little discussion going on here regarding the >ending to "Pull me Under". You know what? The ABRUPT ending >to PMU is not really wierd at all. Check out that old >Beatles tune off _ABBEY ROAD_ called "I want you (she's so heavy)". >It ends the exact same way (ie: Abruptly). Do you suppose that >DT was thinking about that Beatles song when they were doing PMU?? Well I suppose you could say that, as long as you consider them also thinking about Ozzy's "Mr. Tinkertrain". ;) Same type of deal. (Guys, let's not a "Songs with abrupt endings" thread though. K? K.) .-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ email_address_removed | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | / /\__/\ / / / / / / / / /\____\ "The most beautiful thing that | | /_/___/ //_/___ / / /_/___/ / /_/____ this world has to offer is a | | \_____\/ \_____\ \/ \_____\/ \______\ woman's smiling face" - Me | `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:55 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: various bits Message-ID: I am catching up on a few jams. First, Happy Belated Birthday, Kevin Moore! Second, Jason Hartman wrote that the DT shows in NY and NJ were sold out. The NJ show is not. YES! If you order from Birchhill Night Club directly, you have to go and pick them up. Otherwise you can order from your local Ticketmaster... my local Ticketmaster doesn't show a listing for them so I called the one in North Jersey (201-507-8900). The show starts at 8:30. I'll be there! Yes! Seeing DT at last! Johnny *I can hardly contain myself!* -Stimpy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:40:30 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 833 Message-ID: >> I just wanted to say that I&W is awesome! I can't believe I waited this >> long to get it. I can't stop listening to it. If there is anyone who >> doesn't have it, go get it. You won't be disappointed. >> >Well, duh! I can't believe there was anyone on this list who didn't have >I&W. It's so incredible that when I first stuck it in my CD tray, all the >other CD's in there became so embarrassed that their holes closed up so I >wouldn't be able to play them anymore! > >Mike Stoner I can't believe it took me so long to get it. I haven't listened to much else. I guess it's because it came out during my anti-rock-music phase and I was afraid it wouldn't be good. Jeez, was I mistaken. The whole album is so fucking awesome. In other news, are there any drummers on the list? And do you think that Portnoy is just fucking amazing!! I'm a bass player and I can't play one beat on drums but I've been paying a lot of attention to Portnoy lately and he is blowing my mind! I hope he influences a lot of drummers because he is incredible. Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:40:34 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT on the east coast? Message-ID: >Subject: Yeah!!! It's official!!! >Message-ID: > >Yes, its now official!!! Echolyn is opening for DT!! >They are playing June 9th in New York and June 13 in New Jersey with >DT. Both shows are already sold out. >Then DT is going to Europe for about 1 month and when they return >around mid-July, Echolyn is going to do about another 10 shows for >them. No dates are set for those shows yet. It has been rumored >that they will be East-coast shows. YEAH!!!! OK. I don't know, and at this time, don't care who Echolyn is but if DT comes to New England and I miss them I will lose my mind. I figure this is the place to find out. If anyone has even a rumour of DT coming to New England, Puh-leeeze let us know. I just drove 13 hours to Michigan to see a girl, I'll drive to see Dream Theater. thank you Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 01:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: javid sadr To: email_address_removed Subject: King Crimson ticket for sale Message-ID: hi everybody. i apologize for the non-dt content, but i know there are a lot of kc fans on this list, so i thought you might be interested... i've got one ticket for the king crimson concert this saturday (june 3rd) in new york city. if you want it, please get in touch with me right away. i'm selling it for $60, same as i paid, o.b.o. thanks a lot. javid email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 12:04:17 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Egils Kaljo) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT NY shows? Message-ID: You go away for a while and you miss all the cool stuff. What's this about NY DT shows? Where and when? Thanks for the info! ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1995 14:00:14 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 833 Message-ID: *** Reply to note of 05/26/95 18:40 This is the last time I'll comment on the rap thread. I can't believe "progressive musicologists" are sooooo damned closed minded about musical styles. Talk about oxymoronic. Disco lasted 5/6 years and rap sbeen around going on 20. Much longer than new wave or glam metal. Yeah, flash in the pan. Freedom of style and exploration, man. What demographics are you talking about? Black? Hispanic? Jewish? Suburban? Under 25 years old? All of those lines have been blurred. Anthrax and Public Enemy are prime examples. Your opinion is yours to have and to hold, but get the facts staight before trying to mold them to your argument. DT content......what goes on and the convention, how big is it and does it find a new locale every year? FAQ stuff? LATER- -- Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Hairball To: Dream Theater Subject: Could you imagine... Message-ID: I might be moving to Phoenix, AZ. It's up in the air, and probably a few months away, but, should my former co-worker/friend be able to swing it with his new boss, I might go out there as his full time assistant. And I'd be right near Mike Bahr! Hey, cool...huh-huh! later kids, =Hairball= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:40:29 -0400 From: email_address_removed (John Jens, Jr.) To: email_address_removed Subject: Mr. Myung in BASS Player Message-ID: greetings, fellow worshipers of the BassGod known in this world as John Myung, (hey to all you other 'Jammerz too ;) if anyone's interested, a question was asked about JM's Triaxis in the July/Aug '95 issue of BASS Player (email_address_removed). it's a very short answer and if anyone would like to read it, lemme know and i'll post it. also, JM is featured in an aritcle from Jan/Feb '94. i don't think i've ever seen it here or on any of the millions ;) of DT WebPages. i'z gots it if yous wants it :) later all, -john [31 daze 'til Yanni] [34 daze 'til Queensryche] [58 daze 'til +Live+] john c. jens, jr. email_address_removed http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ 'anger is a constructive emotion, hate is not' -MJK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 22:14:09 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Space Dye Vest Message-ID: Dear ytsejammers, Space Dye Vest is the story of my life. - Jeff Underwood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 21:26:03 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Jeff Stern) To: email_address_removed Subject: Rap again Message-ID: >On rap music, my_opinion that 'rap music is an oxymoron' still holds. We >(progressive musicologists) don't acquire the megabucks for the same reason >that progressive music atracts a relatively small audience: rap epiomizes >simple sounds for simpletons; they iz ellot more ofem then U.S. On the >other hand, there is a (very) small place for good rap (another oxymoron?); >I don't think I could listen to more than one rap a day, and retain my >sanity. Rap will probably go the way of disco (die a much belated death), >since the audience demographics are essentially the same. Really? That's funny, since disco was created and destroyed in approximately ten years while rap, on the other hand, is more popular than ever after over fifteen since its birth. >they iz ellot more ofem then U.S. Nice...very nice. I suppose you are much more intelligent than rap's listeners and could write much better envisioning poetry than the likes of KRS-1. I'm sure. I have encountered many people who say that progressive died ten years ago. It all depends on who you talk to and who is more IGNORANT than the next. This is not a flame. --Jeff (that guy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Time and rules are changing Attention spans are quickening Welcome to the Information Age -Geoff Tate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:31:58 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Sounds Like... Message-ID: The more I listen to the instrumental sections on Dream Theater's albums, (especially "A Change of Seasons") I hear so many similarities to one of the greatest bands of the mid-eighties... Helloween. You can call me a poseur all you want, the guitar solos in ACoS resemble the cord progressions in "Keeper of the Seven Keys" and "Halloween". If you've never heard Helloween I strongly suggest you give them a try. Each band member has a strong knowledge of his instrument and, if by some strange occurance, James LaBrie ever left Dream Theater I think the only singer qualified to take his place would Micheal Kiske of Helloween. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 837 *************************