YTSEJAM Digest 804 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 800 by An Angel's Kiss... 2) Re: ACOS Lyrics by Steve Borzilleri 3) about Subconscious..... by An Angel's Kiss... 4) Several things by zebrowski steven 5) Re: An Interesting Proposal by David E Nantais 6) The rhythm in The Mirror by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 7) Broken Hand. by Stone 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 802 by email_address_removed (Marc Respass) 9) DT Cover Concert by alper ince 10) Transcriptions available!! by "UG REIS CHARLES R" 11) Re: Kevin Moore by "UG REIS CHARLES R" 12) Sound fx by "UG REIS CHARLES R" 13) Ayn Rand, etc by Ryan J Benedict 14) An Interesting Proposal by "UG REIS CHARLES R" 15) YTSEJAM digest 803 by email_address_removed (Ryan Inverso) 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 803 by email_address_removed 17) YTSEJAM POLL by "UG REIS CHARLES R" 18) Re: Awake Connections by William T Bajzek 19) Re: The rhythm in The Mirror by William T Bajzek 20) Come On . . . by Ryan J Benedict 21) Hi, again! by "UG REIS CHARLES R" 22) Re: about Subconscious..... by Michael Bahr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 10:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: An Angel's Kiss... To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 800 Message-ID: > > Boo-ba Fett wrote: > > SO basically, my quesion is this, What do you like in covers? [meaning > >song covers :)] Do you like the more straight-ahead tribute like covers, > >or more daring stuff? > > On the subject of covers, has anyone heard Soundgarden's cover of some > Beatles song (maybe it was a Lennon tune). Sorry I can't remember the name > of the song, I heard it on the radio one time. Anyway, it was fucking out > there! Cornell sings the melody just right but the band plays something > completely different with NO chord progression like the original has. It > pretty weird! You sorta hear the progression in the vocal melody but the > band keeps playing this weirdo one chord thing. Anyway, it was cool and > definitely risky :). If anyone knows what I'm talking about, let me know. > > The song is "Come Together". Definitely a weird version - I still like the Aerosmith cover of it better............ Al Balkiewicz vocals, Half Naked > Marc Respass > email_address_removed > http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri To: Dream Thespians Subject: Re: ACOS Lyrics Message-ID: This is going to be long as hell. These were posted by both Michael Opstall and Mike Burstin, I think from the same source. I listened to the vocal audition from 1990, as well as a live performance with LaBrie on vocals, and I noticed some words that need to be changed. Hopefully someone can fix this on whatever source these lyrics were originally taken from. * - what it sounded like by John Hendricks # - what it sounded like by James LaBrie * and # will both be used if both vocalists seem to be saying the same thing. Or, if I heard something different from each vocalist, or if they are both completely indecipherable! Keep in mind that Hendricks sang it in 1990, and LaBrie in 1993(?), so the band might have decided to change a few words here and there, or LaBrie might have felt the need to change one or two words live... >I remember a time [1:46] >my ????ed virgin mind. ^^^^^^ * - veiled # - clanned/cleansed >tredged in the depths of winter snow ^^^^^^^ * - trenched # - tredge ("tredge" makes more sense when referring to exploring boundaries.) >But these days are gone now [2:42] ^^^^^ * # - those >gone away forever ^^^^ * # - blown >In my gang(?) of in??egratity [3:25] ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ * - gang * - inegrity # - tale # - enrapity >?????? sent delicacy ^^^^^^^^^^^ * # - viciousness and >and the rich are robbing me ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * # - ignorance, you're >but the t????l forever healed [4:00] ^^^^^^ * # - chill >the noose(?) of the fall ^^^^^^^^ * # - news >words ??? ??? in the night [5:40] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * - the words spilling >the rest ??? to learn ^^^^^^^^^^^ * - lesson what we'll >I have seized the day ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * - I'll have to >preparing for the fight [6:20] ^^^^^ * # - flight >I said I love you ^^^^ * - want # - love (probably "love.") >[strange mumblings] [9:53] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * - WHOOAAH YEEAAAHHHH, WHOOAH, WHOOAH, YEEAAH!! # - WAAAAOOW YEEAEAEAEAH!! WAAOW, etc. >with all the pleasures we shared together ^^^^ * # - of >love is not just a passing word >Is a state of heart that goes on forever ^^ * # - It's And Furthermore: "I found you where they left you, there, A passing word that's gone forever." --To Live Forever, from the Lie single >the love there will ne'er come down ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # - a love that'll "wuv cog nay" >deep in sorrow, wandering faraway ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ # - wondering why >torn with heartless division ^^^^ * - torthig!? # - torthig?! >shattering all of my visions of love ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * - shattering all of # - wollering all >all of the world, I give to you [12:59] ^^^^^^ * # - all the >*children of yesterday, errors of tomorrow ^^^^^^ (demo) - heirs >*what do you mean, ladden of sorrow ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (demo) - what are your weakenings, laden in >*look to your loneliness again faster and faster ^^^^^^^^^^ (demo) - moment >*???? with ???? prepared by the master. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (demo) - flight in great shuttle >I'm much wiser now [17:30] ^^^ * - So # - I'm >memories they taught me ^^^^ * # - they've >for better or worse, alive or dead ^^ * # - for >I realize, there's no turning back ^^^^^^^^^ * # - I've realized >they all meet at 12 [not sure about this phrase] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * # - the oft-beaten trail >can't you see the crimson sunset ^^^^^^^^^ * - check to # - can't you >NOW ^^^ * # - NOOO! END (Whoosh!) Bafu Vai p.s. did someone say that they will be touring "in support of" this release? Does that mean they'll be playing "A Change Of Seasons" at every show when they hit the US again? One word: stamina. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 10:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: An Angel's Kiss... To: email_address_removed Subject: about Subconscious..... Message-ID: This is for Mike, subconscious man..... I think I speak for a couple of other people as well when I say thanks and all that, but I was wondering, if its possible just to make a quick synopsis/story behind each of the songs. I was letting a friend of mine listen to the CD, and Wanted Dead or Alive was on. The question about the chipmunk voice came up and I was like "duh........i dunno - i think the band may have been really drunk during a recording session or something"....pretty original, i know, but it would be kewl to know a couple tidbits behind each song.............. Thanks againm Mike, great job, etc. Al Balkiewicz vocals, Half Naked "Cause I'm a cowboy......." "No, you're a DICK" funniest line ever..............:P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 10:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven To: email_address_removed Subject: Several things Message-ID: Well, let's see... I think it was Bafu who posted about the "songs within songs." Just to help you out a bit: In Voices, when the recitation starts <"...I dont wanna be here..."> about midway through it you can start t hear the keyboard playing the main Erotomania theme. There's more, but I can't think of anything right now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is > <--John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 10:04:54 CDT From: David E Nantais To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: An Interesting Proposal Message-ID: I am in Ames, Iowa and would like to go to the Queensryche show next Sunday. Is there anyone in the area that would like to cut their gas expenses by giving me a ride. I can't find anyone to go with me. The only friend that wants to go has a final the next day. I would like to go with someone, so please contact me personally at email_address_removed -Dave- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:21:42 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: The rhythm in The Mirror Message-ID: I think I've finally figured out what the hell is going on rhythmically in The Mirror! In the very beginning they're doing a 3 against 4. What I would call, superimposing 3/4 over 4/4. The Guitar and Bass are in 3/4 at about quarter = 80. The Drums are in 4/4 at about 104. Keys come in and they sync up in 4/4 at 80. Then it feels like the drums go into a double-time feel (which becomes the actual tempo) and the two 16ths and an 8th ryhthm gets sorta turned around (becomes two 16ths a 16th rest and a 16th). Then the guitar comes in with the melody and what was a double-time feel becomes real double time (new tempo, about 160). Then they do the intro backwards. They sync up at half tempo then go back to the 3 against 4 when the vocals come in!! All within the first 1'30"!! And LaBrie sings over it! To explain my concept of 3/4 superimposed over 4/4, if you listen to the drums, Portnoy is clearly playing in 4/4 (bass on 1 & 3, snare on 2 & 4). But if you listen to the guitar/bass, they're playing in 3/4 so beat one for each of them lines up. The drums are proportionally faster than the guitar/bass. This sorta blows my mind. I understand it fine but you just don't hear this from a rock band, or much from anyone else (hey Anthony, a real world example of polyrhythms :). If anyone wants to dispute this or back me up, I'd like to hear it. I'm pretty psyched that I finally got it. Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:17:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Stone To: email_address_removed Subject: Broken Hand. Message-ID: "...broken hand, your SUBCONSCIOUS is in demand." --PLACK I usually have a ten minute period between classes and work where I eat lunch. After that I check my post office box. Well... let's just say I was about 19 minutes and 11 seconds late for work today. 8^) Great big thanks going out to Mike Bahr for making this whole thing go down. Mike, I'll give you my left testi-- uh... foot, should you ever need it. Subconscious is well worth the wait, y'all. Laters, Alex ***************************************************************************** |"Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu." --Dream Theater | |Alex Fraser St. Olaf College e-mail: email_address_removed | ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:52:21 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Marc Respass) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 802 Message-ID: In response to Hairball's "On The Subject of Subjects" I just want to say Right On! I agree with everything you said man. Except the thing about hearing a band for the first time. I saw Cinderella when they opened for David Lee Roth on his first tour. I had never heard them and I was expecting them to be good. They sucked and never got better. OTOH, the first time I heard Power Windows, I didn't really like it too much but it came to be my favorite Rush album until Counterparts. Marc Respass email_address_removed http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 15:04:24 +0400 (MEDT) From: alper ince To: ytsejam Subject: DT Cover Concert Message-ID: Hello to all ytsejammers! I`d like to correspond you my progressive rock band called "IN PROGRESS" which will play live this Saturday(May/6/95 12:30) in Middle East Technical University in Ankara in Turkey.The track list will be: 1.Ytse Jam/DT 2.Pull me under/DT 3.Tom Sawyer/RUSH 4.Time Stands Still/RUSH 5.After Image/RUSH 6.Forgotten Sons/MARILLION 7.He knows you know/MARILLION 8.Pseudo Silk Kimono Kayleigh Lavender /MARILLION 9.Changes/YES All ytse-jammers are invited. ALPER INCE P.S:In the future we will be covering King Crimson,more DT:Metropolis,Killing Hand,more Yes:Roundabout,Parallels etc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 11:09:45 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" To: email_address_removed Subject: Transcriptions available!! Message-ID: >Finally, I know of the existence of an I&W tab book. I DO NOT >HAVE THIS BOOK! Please don't ask me for transcripts from it, as Hork! I know, I got it. My Awake Tab book should be coming in in a few days. Warner says it's finished and in stock, just not ready for release just yet. :) Your invisible informer, Chuckalupugus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 11:18:32 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Kevin Moore Message-ID: > For those of you who have not gotten a hold of Kev's new demo >tape, don't! Not if you like any of Dream Theaters music. I respect him >for doing somthing with his talent after his leave. But what the hell is >he trying to write?! Some of it is alright, but most of it is that >industrial dance crap. You could really tell he was changing his music >preferences while he writing "AWAKE". It sounds like he wrote everything >with only one hand! No flames. I understand your dilemma. Sometimes we end up getting crap music that we don't like (even though I am not referring to Kev's work as crap). I happen to enjoy Kev's works, and they have inspired me to write some interesting piano pieces of my own. But please don't refer to this as dance, or R&B, or acid be-bop music. That kind of stuff is for (as I call them) the ECPOA. (Ethnically Challenged People of America). Any music with the same riff the whole way through and lyrics like "Knockin 'da boots" is for the ECPOA, people who have no idea what real music is. Kevin's music has intricate melodies and equally involving lyrics that set a mood. (Yes, he does say fuck every once in a while, but who doesn't). Just give them a few more listens or give them to someone who will like them. Don't just chuck 'em in the trash. Thank you, Chuckalupugus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 11:30:42 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" To: email_address_removed Subject: Sound fx Message-ID: Subject: Sound fx >I just want some people to know a lot of people posted Sound Fx >including me. Hey, wouldn't you if you could see the video. But I >have no clue what happen so somebody tell me something. They mentioned somebody's name on the air and said they requested to see the Silent Man video. They said that they couldn't air it because Atlantic records had some kind of European limitation on it. They said they have no idea when they could show it. They also mentioned that they have been swamped by requests for it, too. ChucK Fatt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:40:42 -0500 From: Ryan J Benedict To: email_address_removed Subject: Ayn Rand, etc Message-ID: David John Baranski wrote in Y-Jam 802 <<(nor do I plan to get it [WDADU] - DT without LaBrie is not DT)>> Is Dream Theater without Kevin Moore DT? Just curious. Nypsie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:11:44 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" To: email_address_removed Subject: An Interesting Proposal Message-ID: > Give him THE 40 second clip to define DT. I'd just give him the main piano riff to EVE. The riff has a temdemcy to repeat itself every 30-40 seconds or so. I love it. I can put the song on repeat and never realize when it starts over again, I mellow with it so well. Eve reminds me of a song Marty Friedman would have written for introduction. (As I am severely lacking, I have yet to hear ACOS. I think it's the only song of theirs I haven't heard.) Chuckulupugus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 95 14:14:02 EDT From: email_address_removed (Ryan Inverso) To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM digest 803 Message-ID: I'd like some info on the Subconscious CD....e-mail me at email_address_removed later, Ryan "Strat" Inverso ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 14:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 803 Message-ID: Greetings everyone, it's BABS. There's been a few questions posted to the list about the YTSE convention. Here's just a repeat of the tentative arrangements. We are looking at Saturday, June 3, at the Sheraton in Smithtown, Long Island. I should have my answer by the end of the week from Dream Theater's management as to who from the band plans on attending. I will let everyone know as soon as I get an answer. Take care, -BABS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:48:39 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" To: email_address_removed Subject: YTSEJAM POLL Message-ID: >How many of you read EVERY single piece of mail off of ytsejam? Me. It kinduv explains why I am going blind. ChucK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:46:00 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Awake Connections Message-ID: This space left intentionally blank Organization: Aepithex (guitars) Steve Borzilleri writes: > William Bazjek: "Innocence Faded" in "Erotomania?" Where? i cant recall the exact time... um... i know its there and i could point it out if i had the cd here... i'm not sure but i think its the beginnings get complicated chord progression.. that big section... or maybe its the main chord progression at the end... i'll check it out when i get home. i know its there if you want to know ------william bajzek------ and if you want to know just what i see -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu-- where we're going look at yourself -----------/~wb2a/home------------ keep your distance and dont ask me ---------guitars, aepithex--------- and dont follow me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The rhythm in The Mirror Message-ID: This space left intentionally blank Organization: Aepithex (guitars) umm... calm down... its just 16th notes, the guitar's just playing 3 16ths then resting one... no superimposing of times or tempos if you want to know ------william bajzek------ and if you want to know just what i see -http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu-- where we're going look at yourself -----------/~wb2a/home------------ keep your distance and dont ask me ---------guitars, aepithex--------- and dont follow me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:32:22 -0500 From: Ryan J Benedict To: email_address_removed Subject: Come On . . . Message-ID: This has been my second post today which is a record compaired to my two post in the past eight months! In Y-Jam #803 I noticed the post: <> Okay guys, I don't think I follow--There are identical chords in all of Awake (not meant to sound condescending). In fact, the chord is played on guitar in one song and keys in the other. I might be wrong, but guys it is only one chord; I don't see any connection! On a whole album (especially a DT album) there is bound to be a chord used more than once. Am I wrong? If so, be easy on the flames; an explination would be better! Nypsie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 13:50:11 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hi, again! Message-ID: Yeehaw! Another 300 messages devoured into nothing and purged into that place where deleted messages go. Comments: Kev's demos are hardly anything like you may expect. They are nothing like DT material and have a stylr pretty much all of their own. To those of you who haven't got them yet, don't expect any of Kev's brilliant soloing, there is none. It's all piano chord progressions, whistles, and bells, etc. It's really good, IMHO. Kansas is still together, last I heard. My managaer at Little Caesar's (kick-ass place to work, ain't it) said Kansas will be playing in July (or August) at the Twin Falls county fair for $5 a ticket. I'm there... Anyone going to the Boise Queensryche concert on May 11? I'll be there wearing my Images and Words T-shirt. Wear DT shirts for ID! This is gonna rock! Those of you owning some back issues of Metal Edge might want to skim through them again. I found a pretty good article on DT titled, "Dream Theater shoots Another Day." It has some good interviews and stuff. Also, look in the Rockin Roundups. I found out a few cool things about the band. (Like Kevin's ultimate sexual fantasy is with Tori on a piano (like we didn't already know)). Lastly (this is a long post), this is the list for my bands gigs, tell me what you think (we finally ironed it out, in no complete order. I play bass/backup guitars/keys/backing vox. Whew!) Domination --- Pantera (their choice, not mine) Immortal Sin --- Fight Skin o' my Teeth --- Megadeth Peace Sells --- " Angry Again --- " Holy Wars...TPD --- " Paranoid --- " Reckoning Day --- " Sweating Bullets --- " In My Darkest Hour --- " Disclaimer: I would rather play other stuff than Megadeth, I have no choice, these are what everyone wants to hear. Love of God --- Saigon Kick Come Take Me Now --- " Love is on the Way --- " Cruelty/Hostile Youth --- " Neighbor --- Ugly Kid Joe Operation: Mindcrime --- Queensryche The Needle Lies --- " Empire --- " Bridge --- " Would? --- Alice in Chains Get the Fuck out --- Skid Row Fuel to Run --- Love/Hate And last But Not Least: Under a Glass Moon Wait For Sleep --- Guess Who? (Me on keys! YES!) The Silent Man Tell me what you think (I know, I don't really like 25% of them myself.) Be back in 2 weeks, ChucKulupugus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:58:22 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: about Subconscious..... Message-ID: > I think I speak for a couple of other people as well when > I say thanks and all that, but I was wondering, if its > possible just to make a quick synopsis/story behind each of > the songs. I was letting a friend of mine listen to the CD, I guess I could do that! Eve... this is the only time we know of where Kevin Moore played his samples from Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man in concert. As you heard, the religious content is high. Perhaps that's why? A Change of Seasons... enough said. O Holy Night... this is one of the demos they did with Dominici at the helm. Sort of an odd turn for a rock band, huh! Carry That Weight... I suspect they were drunk when they and Dominici did this one, because there was some drunken chatter before it that I had to cut out (too much silence, it would have been miswritten in the track) but it's really an odd demo from 1988. Don't Look Past Me... this is one o the Majesty demos, and in this instance, would-be vocalist Jon Hendricks is singing it. It's really quite a good song, and Petrucci works part of the end melody around to make an even better instrumental ending to Innocence Faded. Wanted Dead or Alive... originally Petrucci did the instrumental track for one of his students, and left the tape siting around. Moore stole it, and his roommate Rich Kern (the one from the Moore demos) decided to make it a bit spicier. :) To Live Forever, acoustic version... originally LaBrie's vocal audition. The gorilla session, excerpts. Petrucci. Wanders a lot. John really has little songwriting ability at this early juncture. Mission: Impossible Theme... Z-Rock uses this sometimes. The Back Pain Jam you all know about, when Mike's back went out at a Toronto show from 10/25/94, and he sat int he back with a chiropractor while Derek and the Johns banged out a rare, never again played jam. The Awake Heavy Jam was the instrumental we ALL enjoyed after (dangit) TOWHTSTS and IF left the setlist of the Awake tour. Experimental... Petrucci. It's source or why he wrote it remains shrouded in mystery. Tears, Winter .,.. from the 1/31/95 Ronnie Scotts' Uncovered gig. Mystery track... I ain't saying. First person who tells me EXACTLY where this is from gets a free copy of Cygnus when it comes out. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 804 *************************