YTSEJAM Digest 761 Today's Topics: 1) Vai/Zappa by email_address_removed (Joe Jurczyk) 2) Re: DT CONTENT! (Plus other stuff) -- Echolyn/Magellan by Rob Martino 3) Re: YSTE Convention Update by "Jason K. Schechner" 4) Re: Vai's new CD by email_address_removed (Edward Ju) 5) KM Demo by email_address_removed (Rick Atkinson) 6) Fan Club Numbers/Subconcious CD by email_address_removed 7) Silent Man Single, NBDTC by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 760 by email_address_removed (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) 9) Re: YSTE Convention Update by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 10) Petition by email_address_removed 11) Re: Fan Club Numbers/Subconcious CD by pandora 12) Van Halen by "Wessel Marquering" 13) DT watching; LiT clip by Younis Youssef Hilal 14) More ? on LiT by Younis Youssef Hilal 15) Surounded/Kev Moore by Anthony 16) Re: Petition by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 17) Re: Fan Club Numbers/Subconcious CD by Michael Bahr 18) opps!!! by Michael Bahr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:32:05 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Joe Jurczyk) To: email_address_removed Subject: Vai/Zappa Message-ID: >> [Vai] even does another one of his trademark >> voice mimicking where he used his guitar to imitate his kid's voice. Actually, those are two different songs (CD's in the car now and I don't remember the titles). On one he mimics a voice using heavy whammy, eq and a harmonizer. On the other he samples his kid's voice and plays around it. Very cool. >I once heard someone say this about Vai: > >'You know, I used to have a lot of respect for Steve Vai as a musician, until >I heard Zappa's music and realized it had all been done before.' >That's a general paraphrase, btw. >Just something to think about. I can see where he's coming from, i.e. listen >to Zappa's "Jazz Discharge Party Hats" for a voice transcription as mentioned >by Eddie above. I don't know that I agree totally, but I do see it a bit. Could be because Vai used to play in Zappa's band. ...Joe, off to see Extreme tonight at the Odeon in Cleveland. If it's warm enough (doubtful), I'll wear my Ytsejam shirt. Joe Jurczyk email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:16:54 -0500 From: Rob Martino To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT CONTENT! (Plus other stuff) -- Echolyn/Magellan Message-ID: email_address_removed said: Echolyn seems, if I can coin a term, RE-gressive (no flames, this is not a put down, let me explain...). I mean they seem to have an old-style flavor. A little folksy. Like a cross between 'CSN' and Pre-ELO 'The Move'. So their music seems a little simpler (not musically, but simple with regard to the overall SOUND). Magellan, well I like the sound, but I keep thinking when I listen to them that it is a bit over the top with the keys, maybe even gimmicky. These are my FIRST impressions, please understand, I am not putting either band down, or even sticking by what I am saying YET, I have to hear more, and maybe some comments from you afficianados of the bands will guide me, or maybe my views will solidify. We'll see. I'll comment here...first of all, to people with lukewarm reaction to Echolyn, see them live if they are in your area! Tickets are cheap, you can go up and talk to the band, etc. and a lot of their energy comes through better live. It increased my appreciation of As the World quite a bit. I think Echolyn has a style that is hard to pin down, according to the keyboard player he is influenced more by 20th century classical music composers than any rock groups. He has a degree in composition and you can tell from the intelligent use of comp/theory techniques in a lot of songs. (Theme development, unique harmonizations, dissonance/contrapuntal techniques). Their music definately grows on you if you have an open mind and take time to really explore the music. Magellan is a group I loved at first and then the feeling died down a little. I know exactly what you mean by the keyboards sounding "gimmicky" at times (and this is coming from a keyboard player). I do see a clear YES influence also, especially in vocal harmonies. Kind of like YES with a harder edge. Overall I'd say Echolyn is one of the most original, imaginitave rock groups around today. They don't fit into a specific style they just do what they want. I heard comments at the Echolyn concert that Dream Theater may be interested in having Echolyn open for them later on! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 17:22:50 -0500 From: "Jason K. Schechner" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YSTE Convention Update Message-ID: COUNT ME IN!!! You've got my e-mail address and my phone numbers are: h: 703-212-7947 W: 703-553-5314 ext 459 I'm sorry I've been so bad about e-mail lately, but I'ts been a VERY rough week. HNext week should be better, though, as I'll be on the road for some of it. In fact, I'll be more up your way: I'll be at Fort Dix/McGuire AFB starting Monday evening until probably Thursday. How far are you from that area of NJ? GOtta go - I'll try to write more later! -Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 14:24:26 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Edward Ju) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Vai's new CD Message-ID: Stephen O Boyd wrote: >I once heard someone say this about Vai: > >'You know, I used to have a lot of respect for Steve Vai as a musician, until >I >heard Zappa's music and realized it had all been done before.' > >That's a general paraphrase, btw. > >Just something to think about. I can see where he's coming from, i.e. listen >to Zappa's "Jazz Discharge Party Hats" for a voice transcription as mentioned >by Eddie above. I don't know that I agree totally, but I do see it a bit. Well, in case you didn't know, the person who did the voice transcription for Zappa was none other than Vai himself. Over the years he has refined his skills at mimicking the human voice on the guitar, and I believe that's one of the reasons why he is still doing it. Eddie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:17:20 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Rick Atkinson) To: email_address_removed Subject: KM Demo Message-ID: I am looking for the Kevin Demos. I live in Atlanta, GA. If someone could either email me or post something about how to get it, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:33:27 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Fan Club Numbers/Subconcious CD Message-ID: All this talk about what fan club number you've got is strange. As long as we finally got our kits, I'm happy. I think it really was pathetic how long they took to send it out. After seeing the quality of the booklet, I wonder why it took so long. It certainly was cheap to produce. The layout was bad and the photo of Myung was poor. But the poster and autographed photo made up for it. They probably started with number 101 like they do for checks. Especially since no one has had a number lower than 100 yet. By the way, my number is 102. By the way, the Subconsious CD is VERY MUCH ILLEGAL. I worked in the music business for ten years, and you do NOT have copyright permission from the people who own those songs-the label, the writers, the performers and the publishing company. Your just lucky that Portnoy is pro bootleg. If the label found out about it, I would hate to be in your shoes, buddy! Don't get me wrong, though. I think bootlegs serve a useful purpose. It is just the wrong people are making money off of the fans. If people are willing to pay $25 for usually a fair to poor recording of a performance that includes bad artwork, than that's their own fault. I've purchased several bootlegs over the years because of the material that is unavailable anywhere else. If labels would just realize there is money to be made off of fanatical fans than everyone would benefit. They could do it as a mail order business only so the general public wouldn't be exposed to substandard performances. Marillion has excellent live recordings available by mail order only to their fan club in small quantities. Fish has numerous CDs for his fans available in stores even. I applaude these artists for trying to put bootleggers out of business. A tip of the hat to Frank Zappa for bootlegging the bootlegs. And last, please stop replying to idiots who post to get attention. Like the BenGrim's of this world. They go away if you ignore them. Also, I'm on America Online and I resent people who question my worthiness by who I subscribe through. That is blindness and similar to being a racist. Well, not quite, but you know what I mean. Also, M. Bahr, please stop posting your list of who is getting which number of your illegal CD. I'm sick of you patting yourself on the back for your money making endeavor. I have to fast forward through all your posts continually to see if anybody has anything to say about Dream Theater. Enough said... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 20:40:34 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Silent Man Single, NBDTC Message-ID: (NBDTC = Nothing But Dream Theater Content !>)> I just picked this up today. Although I don't care for SM too much, I must say that the demo version of TTT seriously rocks. With *minor* tweaking, they should've put this version on the album. In fact, if the rest of the songs sounded like this, I think IAW would've sounded a lot better than it does. I really like the background effect to James' vocals, kind of Queensryche-ish. The drums sound more natural, too. Perhaps I'm way off base, so anyone who has the single care to comment? The other good thing is that I now have Eve on a full-sized CD. It was really a pain to mess with the Dr. Shrinker CD that I got in the Japanese import Awake when I was in the car. Well, off to the snow... Zach ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:22:12 EST From: email_address_removed (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 760 Message-ID: With regards to the DT convention in Long Island, if Babs can give me a specific date in the near future, I may be able to attend; I have a relative on Roosevelt Island with whom I can stay . But I would need to know a date well in advance in order to make necessary arrangements , hoard some $, possibly talk someone into coming with me, etc. Hell, I was planning a trip to Rochester around June, anyway, what's a detour for a couple of days? Jaime the Dragon "Sometimes you got to believe beyond yesterday..." SAVATAGE "Summer's Rain" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 21:58:41 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YSTE Convention Update Message-ID: > > COUNT ME IN!!! You've got my e-mail address and my phone > numbers are: Gentle 'Jammers (Judith Martin Mode) Don't you think that it's a better idea to send your personal phone numbers to BABS instead of the list? Not that any of us are going to crank call you, but one never knows what evil lurks in the hearts of DT fans... And this is the second time this has happend. Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:46:14 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Petition Message-ID: Dear jammers, Sorry, something got messed up. Here's what I wanted to send. Yours, Jeff =) -------------------------------------- Date: 3/22/95 5:27 PM From: Dan Franzen I thought the message below was worth passing on ... you may find it interesting. If you want to sign the petition, follow the instructions outlined at the end of this message. Dan Franzen --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hello there, > > Give me about two minutes of your time here for a very serious problem > that is going to affect all of us. I've spent the entire day reading > through Senate Bill 314, the so-called "Communications Decency Act of > 1995", as well as hundreds of pages of reviews, commentaries, and > impact analysis. This bill is going to be attached to another > communications regulation bill which is favored by many members of the > Congress. (The entire issue should come to discussion in early March!) > > Long story short, if you post anything "indecent or obscene" at any > point on the Internet or on any BBSs after this Bill passes, you could be > fined $100,000 and jailed up to two years. Furthermore, whichever service > transmits your message -- whether it is a university or a commercial > provider -- will also be fined $100,000 PER DAY that the message is > publicly accessible. > > For those that don't know this, the Internet itself is comprised of > thousands of individually-owned networks all connected together. For > example, I am building my own small network with my own computers, and > will then pay Netcom about $1,000 per month to have it connected to their > network, which is in turn connected to other networks--- creating the > Internet we all use. When a message such as this one is sent out, it > travels from network to network to network until it reaches its intended > audience. UNDER S.314, EVERY PROVIDER TRANSMITTING AN OBSCENE OR INDECENT > MESSAGE IS CRIMINALLY LIABLE. > > If this bill is passed, huge sections of the World Wide Web (WWW) will > shut down almost immediately. Usenet groups will be severely restricted, > because anything "indecent", annoying, or harrassing--statements like "the > Holocaust never happened" for example--could be illegal. Most Net BBSs > like ISCA or NAILS could cease to exist since live chats can't be censored. > American ftp sites will be strongly restricted, and access to foreign sites > could be prohibited altogether. And many providers will either screen each > individual message for content, or more likely, simply close up shop and > leave. In the end, the Internet will be pratically worthless, compared to > the vast resource it is now. > > And for those of you who enjoy Internet mailing lists, these lists will > almost definitely end with the passage of this bill. Why? Because after > the passage of this bill, anything potentially offensive to *anyone* > reading a list will hold the author or list manager criminally liable. > Most mailing lists on the Net are free, and probably can't afford the risk > of publishing something offensive. > > I know a lot of the "petitions" going around are rather difficult to > understand, and I hope this message makes things a little clearer, and make > you understand why it is so important for you to ACT NOW. > > > > (1) IF YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS OPPOSE THIS BILL... > If you haven't already signed another petition floating > around on the Internet now, then get as many names and > addresses and email them to me at . > Please send me: > - your name > - your email address > - whether or not you are a US citizen > (Non-US citizens may still sign!) > > > (2) IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT S.314... > Point your Web browser at http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog/ > or just write to me and ask for info. I've got the text > of the bill itself, as well as stuff from PCWEEK, Newsweek, > a CNN transcript of debate on the bill, and various papers > of analysis. Yours for the asking. > > (3) FORWARD THIS TO *EVERYONE* YOU KNOW... > Don't let the Internet go to hell while you sit by and > watch. Send this message to everyone you know so that they > too can know about this threat to our freedom. Chances are, > they'll thank you for it. And if they find it offensive? > Well, at least that's not illegal... YET. > > > John Stanforth Jacobs > Editor, Moonlit Thoughts At Three A.M. > > > > - -- > > ._, > ___| |. ____ _ ___, > / __|__|/ _ '\ '__ | J. Stanforth Jacobs > \__ \ |_| (_\ | | | | dynaSoft Technologies Inc. > |___/___\___/_|_| |_| P.O. Box 3486, Camarillo CA 93011 > > ------- end ------- > > > From email_address_removed Tue Mar 7 18:06:59 1995 > Subject: S.314 [forwarded message from Michael Rosenstark] > From: Alan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Instructions for Signing This Petition > > > It must first be noted that this is a petition, not a vote. By "signing" >it you > agree with all the requests made in the petition. If you do not agree with > everything in this petition, then your only recourse is to not sign it. > > In addition, all e-mail signatures will be submitted to Congress, the >President > of the United States, and the news media. > > Including your full name is optional, but very highly encouraged as that would > add to the effectiveness of the petition. 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We may > also contact you again in the future should we need more information, such >as who > your House Representative and Senators are, which is not asked here as it is > unclear whether such information is needed. > > Thank you for signing this petition! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Alan > > > >-- ~ Marc Lindahl ~ email_address_removed ~ 908-249-2900 ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 00:13:33 -0800 (PST) From: pandora To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fan Club Numbers/Subconcious CD Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Mar 1995 email_address_removed wrote: > By the way, the Subconsious CD is VERY MUCH ILLEGAL. I worked in the > music business for ten years, Now, now... just cause you emptied the trash in some record execs office, doesn't mean you are an expert or anything. *smirk* > is just the wrong people are making money off of the fans. If people > are willing to pay $25 for usually a fair to poor recording of a > performance that includes bad artwork, than that's their own fault. Hmmm... sounds like you're harboring some kinda resentment towards Mike Bahr, why? You've already made it pretty clear that you're not against bootlegs, then you turn around and make cutsie refrences to the project Mike is working on. How imbicillic. It is obvious that you are brand new here, son, so let me drop a little helpful background info your way: Mike is not doing this to make a profit. As someone whos in band that has put out its own CD (2 of them, in fact), I can tell you that he is not 'making money off the fans,' in fact he is being extremely reasonable considering the amount of time and energy he is putting into this project. Furthermore these tracksare not 'fair to poor recording[s].' In fact, Mike has told us that many of these tracks have come out sounding better in the re-master, than they did on the original recordings. > And last, please stop replying to idiots who post to get attention. Hmmm.... somewhat like yourself? (an idiot trying to get attention, that is...) > They go away if you ignore them. Hmmm... it was to hard for me to resist posting... but I'd still like it if you went away. > Also, I'm on America Online and I resent people who question my > worthiness by who I subscribe through. Oh don't worry, Im not questioning your worthiness based on where you post from, Im questioning your worthiness based on you sounding like an idiot trying to get attention. > Also, M. Bahr, please stop posting your list of who is getting which > number of your illegal CD. Jesus boy, make up your mind! A while back in your post you said (and I quote): --> "Don't get me wrong, though. I think bootlegs serve a useful purpose." Yet now you now seem to be taking a tone of disapproval. Just trying to get more attention, I suppose... and I fell for it, well don't I feel silly. > I'm sick of you patting yourself on the back for your money making > endeavor. Again, if you would pull your head out of your ass long enough to read, you would be able to see that this isn't a 'money making venture.' I thought you said that you worked in the music buisness... were you lying, or were you just so low on the totem pole that you didn't pick up a few basics along the way (like how much it costs to independantly produce a CD)? Just for your edification (please read and learn something), heres what Mikes got to say about the cost fo the CD: --> " I've put together all the costs and come up with a price that --> allows me to just _barely_ make up for cost, and pay myself about half of --> minimum wage for doing the project. Mostly I'm doing it for the FANS. --> This will only be available to Ytsejam, and to Ytsejam ONLY. It will --> easily be the rarest of the rare, a must-have for any Dream Theater --> fan. Since it's not authorized material, it's cool to trade this --> stuff on tape, but as many of you know, it's illegal to sell it --> publicly in the US. Thus, I'm _not_ going to sell it publicly, and as --> such, I have to do all the CD burning myself, on my own equipment. --> That's why I couldn't sell it for $18-$20 like Kiss The Stone and --> Metal Crash CDs go for." > I have to fast forward through all your posts continually to see if > anybody has anything to say about Dream Theater. Awww... poor baby. Frankly, sinced the majority of this list is purchacing this CD, and the *vast* majority is in support of this project in general (and all the work that Mike has put into it, as well), I think that mine is only the first of many flames which will shortly be posted on this list... and then you'll have to fast forward through them too... what a shame. Actually, being as Mike has posted less than 6 times regarding (and I repeat) a project which the majority of the peole on this list are in favor of, I do believe that your little 'attention getting' post will result in much more spam than his will (though the way this group tends to wander on topic, Im quite surprised you aren't whining like an infant about that too!) To sum up, I didn't respond to the 'just trying to get a reaction posts' that appeared, because they appeared to be designed to do just that. Your post, on the other hand, just shows a general ignorance of what is going on on this list, and a train of logic that is a bit warped. The logic we can't do much about, but the only conclusion I can come to for your ignorance is that you are new to this list... either that or you are stupider than dirt- but Im going to give you the benifit of the doubt just this once, OK? Have you ever heard of the '2 minute rule' that says you shouldn't jump into a conversation until you have listened to it for 2 minutes (to prevent yourself saying silly things)? With your obvious skill in making an utter fool of yourself in public might I suggest a similar rule that you might want to try, it is called the '15 day rule.' Don't post to any list that you have just joined until you have had 15 days to find out what is going on, you will make less of a specticle out of yourself. > Enough said... Yeah, you wish, boy. Bring it on boys and girls... flame on! (woo hoo, do I love a good flame war!) *dons asbesdos suit and prepares for battle* ~Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 95 10:48:22 MET From: "Wessel Marquering" To: email_address_removed Subject: Van Halen Message-ID: Yesterday I was listening to the radio again (waiting for DT unplugged part 2). The bad news: still no DT. The good news: there was a live concert with Van Halen. It was a remixed version of their first gig (the first time in 2 years that they played live again) from the new tour, that was broadcasted before. The sound quality is awesome and there were 7 songs (3 new ones, judgement day, panama, top o.t world, ain't talking...) Total time: 45 minutes If someone wants the tape real bad, email me. I'm willing to send the first generation tape to the USA (because I'm not really into VH) if you've got a fair offer. But I can NOT trade with more than 2 or 3 persons (sorry, I'm in the middle of my graduating). When I send the 1st gen. tape to someone he must be willing to perform like a dub- side. Wessel Marquering (The Netherlands) w.a.marquering@kub.nl (wednesday-saturday) or wma@eim.nl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:08:15 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Youssef Hilal To: email_address_removed Subject: DT watching; LiT clip Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Mar 1995 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote: > > Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 17:00:38 -0500 > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Subject: DT watching and Ytsejam con > Message-ID: > > our posts? I suppose that I should address this to Ken Bibb. Are the Gods > watching us? <<< > > They've _been_ watching us. I don't know how long, but they've been reading > the digests even on tour, because someone gives them printouts. > This just occurred to me, but I was thinking about what the interest the Gods have shown in this little mailing list here, and I'm thinking that the reason for this could be that this mailing list is really the only way they have of getting instant feedback on everything they're doing (touring, performances of the Gods on tour, what we think of the tour, whether we think they're pricks, etc.). DT strikes me as the type of band that DOES appreciate its fans, so it would make sense that they would be glad to grab a few digest printouts to read just like they would be glad to hang out after shows and bullshit with some of their fans before heading off to the tour bus. Just a thought. Also, on the Live in Tokyo video, is there a clip of somebody talking about a fake Eiffel Tower constructed to make the city look like Paris, when it's actually the city of Tokyo. If so, who is it? Younis Hilal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Youssef Hilal To: email_address_removed Subject: More ? on LiT Message-ID: I've got one other question about LiT. This guy in my dorm lent me an audio copy of the show and the setlist, as far as I can tell, is as follows: Under a Glass Moon Wait for Sleep Surrounded Ytse Jam To Live Forever JP solo A Fortune in Lies Puppies on Acid/Take the Time Pull Me Under Is this list right? Thanks for the info. Younis email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 14:18:31 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony To: DT:;@donews.uucp Subject: Surounded/Kev Moore Message-ID: helo! forigve any typos please but the modem software im using is really messed up, and i cant read my own messgae! i dont know if this issue was ever addressed finally but there was a discussion about the guitar solo on LATM where JP uses a delay efeect...well, the solo on I&W also uses a d3elay effect ...it is just timed so thtat it sounds ALMOST like john is playing sixteenth notes...but i really dont think that is the case... regarding my activity as a dub site for the Kev M demos...im going home on break tommorrw and i wont be able fo to do any tapes for aweek...you may still mail me and i will get back to you as soon as i get back....thanks! Anthony Kozar email_address_removed htto://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 12:04:13 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Petition Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: Petition > > Dear jammers, > > Sorry, something got messed up. Here's what I wanted to send. [deleted] The implications of this are that if it passes, there will no longer be any netnews nor will there be any mailing lists available to the US (only to the rest of the world). Note the: > audience. UNDER S.314, EVERY PROVIDER TRANSMITTING AN OBSCENE OR INDECENT > MESSAGE IS CRIMINALLY LIABLE. This means that if someone (say "email_address_removed" ;) decides to send a message that Jesse Helms considers obscene to this mailing list, I will be held criminally liable. So will the local phone company (pacbell), my internet providers, any sites that have this message on their disk, etc. Commercial providers like AOL and Prodigy will probably have to resort to only having moderated local newsgroups :( -- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer email_address_removed A hilltop paved with gold email_address_removed We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 13:25:59 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fan Club Numbers/Subconcious CD Message-ID: > On Fri, 24 Mar 1995 email_address_removed wrote: > > is just the wrong people are making money off of the fans. If people > > are willing to pay $25 for usually a fair to poor recording of a > > performance that includes bad artwork, than that's their own fault. What if it's not fair to poor? What if it's up to album standards on most tracks, and at least equal to current CD boots on the others? > Hmmm... sounds like you're harboring some kinda resentment towards Mike > Bahr, why? You've already made it pretty clear that you're not against > bootlegs, then you turn around and make cutsie refrences to the project > Mike is working on. How imbicillic. yeah, no shit. i think this is the only person on the Jam who has the slightest problem with what I'm doing. Understand this, "pandora": THE BAND THEMSELVES are overlooking it. > energy he is putting into this project. Furthermore these tracksare not > 'fair to poor recording[s].' In fact, Mike has told us that many > of these tracks have come out sounding better in the re-master, than they > did on the original recordings. Yeeha! Thumbs up! > > Also, M. Bahr, please stop posting your list of who is getting which > > number of your illegal CD. > Jesus boy, make up your mind! A while back in your post you said (and I > quote): No shit. If I didn't post the numbers, a lot of people would wonder where their money went. I'm doing it as a courtesy to people who sent for the CD. > fool of yourself in public might I suggest a similar rule that you might > want to try, it is called the '15 day rule.' Don't post to any list that > you have just joined until you have had 15 days to find out what is going > on, you will make less of a specticle out of yourself. Thanks for the backup here! :) Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 13:27:54 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: opps!!! Message-ID: I misread an atttribution line and sent an argument intended for email_address_removed to Pandora instead. Sorry, my misteak. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 761 *************************