YTSEJAM Digest 671 Today's Topics: 1) FW "Valley of the Dolls", DT & FW videos, & Bruce Dickinson by "Perry M. Grayson" 2) Re: shifts by Michael Bahr 3) Re: Concert tickets by Michael Bahr 4) Re: Magellan by James Bickers 5) Re: Worst song/innocence faded by William Wright 6) Re: Youngest Y'jammer by William Wright 7) Boot sources... by Michael Burstin 8) Re: fates stuff by James Bako 9) Re: Youngest Yjammer by Mark Tedhams 10) Assorted DT Content by email_address_removed (Mr. Phat) 11) Re: who's youngest? by email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) 12) Re: Least Favorite DT Songs by email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) 13) All sorts of stuff!!!!! by email_address_removed 14) Re: Awake album promos by Pat Daugherty 15) misc. reply by James Bako 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 670 by Ricky Booth 17) Re: Magellan by William T Bajzek 18) I&W vs. Awake by (Kevin R Laferriere) 19) Drums on I&W by Jeff Stewart 20) Marillion/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 21) Marillo/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH by email_address_removed 22) Re: Missing Ytsejams by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 23) Re: Pantera bashing by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:27:52 +0800 (PST) From: "Perry M. Grayson" To: email_address_removed Subject: FW "Valley of the Dolls", DT & FW videos, & Bruce Dickinson Message-ID: In Digest #668, Al Balkiewicz wrote this in response to the Fates Warning "Valley of the Dolls" lyrics I'd posted so folks could figure out what John Arch was saying (Painted plastic faces--not plastic feces!): > blasphemous black bible bias you betray bigotry > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > holy consonance, Batman! > it is consonance isn't it, where a line has the > same letter for each word? I don't remember my high school > English classes that well. If its not consonance, then > I feel stupid that the whole point of the message is screwed > up. :( oh well - you get the point. You almost had it--and that's a good call. I wasn't paying much attention when I typed, except for that little fumble in the printing on the CD sleeve. This technique is called alliteration to poets. Edgar Allan Poe was quite fond of it in "The Raven." Consonance is similar, too--it involves words that have the same sound in consonants but *not* vowels in the same line--and these are *usually* at the *end* of a word, while alliteration involves the beginning letters of the word. In the same mailing, Mike Bahr , wrote: > It's a blessing in disguise. Now they have made Primetime longer > and put more "just videos" hours in during the day, since the > cancellation of some of their lamer "shows". I find more and more rock > within them now that HBB is gone. Besides, HBB was getting to the point > where it was just a synposis of the day's dose of Offspring and NIN. > > Last night on MTV-normal (ordinary video time) they played > Queensryche (Bridge), VH (DTMWLCD), Danzig (Cantspeak), Megadeth (Train), > and, surprise surprise, Lie. All of this mixed in with the usual HEAVY > exposure to Live, Offspring, STP, Soundgarden, and then all of the shit > rap and pop groups. I read that a few of the ranks here have seen *more* than one Fates Warning video on HBB and MTV--and I'm glad they actually did play them once. In all my years, I've only seen "Pull Me Under," "Point of View," and "Lie" on MTV. Back when "Parallels" came out, I can remember "Point of View" being played *extensively* for a span of perhaps two weeks--but then nothing. While on the subject of Bruce Dickinson possibly joining DT on an old 'Maiden cover tune, I'd like to recommend Bruce's latest solo effort to my fellow Ytsejam members. I find the album very interesting--and I enjoy the work of guitarist Roy Z.--who is in the LA-based band Tribe of Gypsies. Members of Tribe of Gypsies back up Bruce on this album--"Balls to Picasso" (on the Mercury label BTW, in case anyone's searching for it). IMHO Tribe is a very interesting and diverse band with some genuine Latin influences, but still very heavy. On an interesting note to anyone who owns the Dickinson album, check out the guitar solo on "Tears of the Dragon"--which was played with *all of three finger on the left hand*--Roy cut his left pinky down to the bone the day before he was scheduled to record--and he's truly a *ten-fingered* guitarist. He went all out for *feel* on that lead. I hope to see a Tribe of Gypsies album within the next year and a half. Best, Perry M. Grayson email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:09:12 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: shifts Message-ID: > Furthermore, in The Mirror you will find parts of the other four > songs that follow it, and in Lifting Shadows off a Dream they pull in > some brief bits from the early part of the album as well... > > PUT THESE THINGS ON THE FAQ! > PUT THESE THINGS ON THE FAQ! > > Other DT Fans like me who are to stupid to hear those things that > clearly (can only make out CiaW on Erotomania) (ok, maybe its a bit > lazyness as well....) would be really happy to have a bit more hints on > where in erotomania you can find a melody from which song...... Okay, but is there anyone out there who could do the time listing for me? My inferior disc player dosen't show the time. The most obvious part of Erotomania is in the middle from the Silent Man. First a few measures of Kev playing piano that mimics the lyrics... "when there is reason, tonight im awake, when theres no answer, arrive tsm" Then Petrucci makes it VERY obvious by playing that same sequence on his guitar (now remember in TSM, James is SINGING these notes) "if there is balance... tonight hes awake, if they have to suffer, there lies the silent man" Then Petrucci does a downward scale that sounds RAELLY cool and then he plays on the guitar Kevin's "violin" part from the solo: daaaaaahh dah duh dooooooooo DAAH dah DI-DI-DAAAA! da-da-DAAAA! dah dah dah (etc) and then it goes into the "I....caught in a web.... numb from the world!" melody in Erotomania. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:11:39 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Concert tickets Message-ID: > URGENT!!! URGENT!!! > > Listen carefully. I have 2 tickets to the covers gig in London on Tuesday, but > it doesn't look like I can make it down to London. I want to keep one of the > tickets, just in case I can make it, but I'm offering the other to YJammers > in London or South-East England who can make it to London by 5pm on Tuesday at > VERY short notice. > > If you want it, send me personal email *NOW* giving your name and postal > address. I'll send it first-class ASAP. You may not get it in time, but at > least I tried! :) EVERYONE!!!! Everyone who's going to the covers gig!!! BUY A STEREO RECORDING WALKMAN!!!!! You can return it the day after the gig, we don't care, but you MUST tape this for DT fanatics everywhere. If I weren't 5000 miles away with no tickets, I'd do it myself. Any reviews posted that don't include information on how to get a copy of the show on tape will be cursed and reviled. :) Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 17:39:24 -0500 (EST) From: James Bickers To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Magellan Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Jan 1995 email_address_removed wrote: > We probably just have different tastes. I listen to Pantera because they > hold nothing back musically or lyrically. They just totally rock. They also > have awesome lyrics. And I know that they aren't as musically complex as DT > but they are still very tight and hve talent. > You have not lived until you see Pantera live. Granted I don't like them as > much as Rush and DT but quite simply Pantera just kicks ass! > > Trey > > I've always liked their music, I just have an impossibly hard time listening to the vocals. That's the case for me with many ultra-hard metal bands. If Pantera ever made an instrumental album, or got a different singer, I'd probably buy it. The intensity you speak of is what draws me to Bad Religion. The great thing about them is that they have _very_ intelligent lyrics, a big plus to me. I'd recommend them to any DT fan. James ---------------------------------------------------- Full Service Printing * Typesetting * Graphic Design Continuous Forms * Computer Checks I M A G E S and W O R D S for more information, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 17:40:56 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: > > > > > I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater song. > > I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the > > least good? > > > i think innocence faded is their worst song. > > one of the reasons is that part you thought sounds like jefferson > airplane...'beginnings get complicated...', i _hate_ that part! Well... no matter how bad that part may be (I don't have a problem with it) the instrumental at the end (the last 2 minutes) makes up for the whole entire album! That's one of the best moments on Awake! Now.... on to other things. Who is the youngest? I am 16... can anyone beat me? Now.... on to other things. :) While John Petrucci's intense, fast playing is always so awesome, I have also found bands that are more subtle can be just as satisifying. One of these bands is Fates Warning. Inside Out is an great album, I really like the last three songs on the album. Also Awaken the Guardian is an AWESOME album. Every Ytsejamer needs to get this album. It's not as progressive as Inside Out is, but it's just so intense and powerful you can't turn it down. Not as mellow as their new stuff. Plus, it has the best album cover I've ever seen. Those who have this CD know what I'm talking about, this cover kicks ass. Now... another band that I have discovered recently like this is Genesis. Now i'm not talking about the commertial 45-minute drivel-cds the group has put out in the last few years, but the OLD stuff they've done. I got _And the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ for Christmas along with a lot of other progressive cds (such as Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, and Discipline, Tarkus, all four great CDs.) Now, when I listened to the Genesis CD at first I though, hey, where's all the complex playing, the 15 minute instrumentals, the odd meter changes? And so I primarily listened to the other progressive CDs I got. But just recently I've been listening to Lamb a LOT more... in fact, I can only find one "song" on this CD I don't like and that really isn't a song, its actually a bunch of noises that they try to call a song. (Its also 5 damn minutes, but what the hell, the rest of the songs are all great.) Anyway, this cd contains some of the best song writing I've ever heard. It's ridiculously complex even too! Well... some of it is at least. You've never heard a real keyboard solo until you've heard "Riding the Scree." And the lyrics are great. Its a 2CD concept album about God-knows-what, but it cool whatever it is. And the singing is some of the best I've heard. But the thing that blows me away about this CD is how they can take complex music and make it sound so beautiful. "In the Rapids" is has such emotional, beautiful playing, mixing piano, bass, synth drums and singing. I don't think songwriting gets any better than this. And I enjoy ALL of the songs on the CD! The production is so great that it sounds like it was made yesterday, not back in 1974. Powerful bass, crystal clear singing, deep powerful piano. This CD has it all... Can anyone else comment on this CD? And if you don't already have it, GET THIS CD... It's not mellow as I first thought it to be, it can sometimes be almost scary in the way they play the songs, and at other things simplistic and beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 18:14:11 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Youngest Y'jammer Message-ID: > > > Well, I'm 16 and have been a fan since right after > I&W came out. ('92) Well... we're both 16. Anyone younger, or should we both start comparing birthdays to find out who's younger? either way Beth has me beat in terms of how long she's been listening to DT... I started with IAW about 7 months ago. (And no, not because I heard Pull me Under on MTV or the radio, but because I heard Ytsejam at a friends house.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:48:58 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: Boot sources... Message-ID: For those of you interested in boot sources, the best place to look is on my sources web page... Goto the URL below, and replace home.html with sources.html It includes a LONG list of places throughout the country, as well as a few places to order over the net... Keep in mind, I have not had experience with ANY of the places listed except for Second Coming Records in Boston... -- +--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+ | I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin | | My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University | | I never lost my devotion |-----Awake-----+---------------------+ | but somewhere fate went wrong. | Let's go PENS!!! | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:11:36 -0500 (EST) From: James Bako To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: fates stuff Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jan 1995, Stephen Bajzek wrote: > Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-95 Re: YTSEJAM digest 660 by "Dan Tshin"@io.org > > BTW, did anyone else see Fates on the first leg of the tour, before > they were opening for Dream Theater, when they closed with Guardian? > Wasn't that awesome? > YES! I caught them at the Roxy, in Long Island, on 10/5. Overall the show was good, but I went to the show with a bunch of friends who gave up on them after No Exit, so their vibe kinda put a damper on my enjoying the show. However, the Guardian encore clinched it for all of us :) I only wish that they played more older stuff (they stuck exclusively to the last three albums) but hey, you can't have everything. James Bako email_address_removed Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 18:11:03 -0700 (MST) From: Mark Tedhams To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Youngest Yjammer Message-ID: Hey...I'm 15 is there anyone younger...been a fan since I&W.bye. - Mr.T +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- : Watch the sparrow falling : M A R K T E D H A M S Gives new meaning to it all : | | If not today nor yet tomorrow : | | then some other day : | | -K.Moore : email_address_removed : -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:08:03 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Mr. Phat) To: email_address_removed Subject: Assorted DT Content Message-ID: What's up everyone? Look, I'm sorry I forgot to include all the females in my last post's intro. Please, could you women quite hassling me already? So tell me what you like better: Dear Jammers and Jammetes, or Dear SIBLINGS of DT? All others who really don't give two shits about the above but are now pissed at me for writing it, another "I'm sorry" goes out to you. I can't win. Just had a few things on my mind from this week: >If Rush and DT came out with a new album on the same day and you only had > enough money for one, which one would you get and why? Simple, hook up with someone who'll buy them for me. (I can feel the hate mail already). Actually, I'd buy the DT first because I'm not into Rush....YET. >But Pantera? I just don't see the appeal. It's >just another loud death band, you know? They couldn't write a song like >"LTL" or "Surrounded" if their lives depended on it, and even if they >did, they certainly couldn't _sing_ it!?! What gives? I think they do have a lighter "easy listening" accoustical. I forget the name - I'm suprised because Q104 in NYC plays the hell out of it. Anyway, I have to agree with you though in that they could never even come remotely close to the coolness of DT. Um, just thought I'd throw in the following clearly related fact if anyone is interested. Type-o-Negative and Pantera are going to be playing in Utica NY on Feb. 26. Anyone near Ithaca NY interested? I could use a size 15 boot stomping on my face! Oh, and my arms have been attached for quite too long now... > The solo on the Live in Tokyo video, after "To Live Forever" is called > "Barfbag"... etc., etc., etc. Does anyone know *for sure* the "official" set list for the LitS boot? It would really be appreciated > I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater song. > I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the > least good? Um....any song involved with Charlie Dominichi. Easy enough. But not including Dom.: >Of the three studio albums' worth of material, the worst song >imho would have to be either Afterlife or Innocence Faded. Ouch! Dude, man, that hurts. I can't believe you don't like Afterlife! I love it (but only with LaBrie, of course). And Innocence Faded too?! Damn, I feel like I'm trying to convince someone that DT is cool. I'm sure you're all familiar with that feeling. I'm going to refrain from answering "the worst song" question because it's like trying to decide who is your least favorite son or daughter. Actually, that would be easier because there are more songs. I don't have any children yet (knock on wood, please...a few more times!) but I'm sure I can imagine. Last thing (sorry for length): Does anyone have the address for the internet music store, cd.now or something. A friend of mine here would like to order WDADU. Thanks. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvvvv vvvvvv vvvvvvvvvv vvvv vv vvvv vv v v v v v v vv v v v v v v vv vvvvv vv vvvvv vvv vv vv vv vv vv vvv vvv vv vv vv vv vv vvv vvv vv vv vv vv vv vvv vvv vv vv vvvv vv vv vvv vvv vv vv vv vv vv vv vv vvv vvv vv vv v vv v vv vv vvv vvv vv vvv vv vvv vv vvv vvv vv vv vv vv vv vv vv vvv vvv vv vv vv vv vv vv vv vvv vvvvvv vv vv vv vvvvvv vv v v v v v vvvv v v v v v vv vvvv vv vvvv vvvvvvvvvv vvvvvv vvvvvvvvvv vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Eric Anderson "Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt." email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:53:25 +22305458 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: who's youngest? Message-ID: > > Well I've heard the talk about who is the oldest person on the Yjam > mailing digest but I'd like to know who's the youngest...anyone?bye. > > - Mr.T > Well, I'm probably not the youngest, but close. I'm 19 -- got into DT at 16/17ish... Stacie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:55:22 +22305458 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Least Favorite DT Songs Message-ID: Innocence Faded. Hands down. Stacie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:05:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: All sorts of stuff!!!!! Message-ID: For some reason I spaced on reading the jam for about two weeks and I just spent the majority of a Saturday afternoon reading #654 through present. OK I've got alot to say some DT content some not, So here goes, 1. Attn William Kriski; You were looking for instrumental guitar stuff in a jazz theme? I think? Check out Alex DeGrassi on the Windham hill label. Incredible feeling in his playing. Metheny is coming to my area in Feb. I've never seen him live, I've never seen any jazz live, so I don't know what to expect, but I think I'll enjoy it. 2. Attn Richard Grayson; In your review of DT you stated that JP played a custom 7 string guitar, although I'm sure his guitar has been customized (most guitar players are) you can buy 7 string guitars in stores i.e. Ibanez and Steve Vai was the first that I know of to really bring attention to it. Just wondered if you knew cause it sort of came accross that JP was the only person to play a 7 string before. 3. On Mon Jan 23rd Atsushi Kawami wrote about his Valley Arts guitar, Valley Arts I think are based in LA and are a very top of the line guitar that used to about 3 or 4 years ago demand a starting price of I think $1,100 US dollars. I don't know if they are still around but they are a small company so thats probably why JP acted like he hadn't heard of them, But you have got a very nice guitar!!!!!!! 4. 1-25-95 Jeremy Haynes wrote about "sell outs" like Bon Jovi, Aerosmith, Kiss, Michael Bolton etc. First of all what makes these bands sell outs? From listening to Kiss and Bon Jovi since they first came out neither of these groups have changed there musical styles to the point of "selling out" that is just the style of music they choose to write. If anything Kiss has shined away from being "mainstream" or "a sell out". Listen to 'Revenge' it is the hardest album Kiss has ever put out. Although they did follow trend in the late '70's and the disco thing but I would definitely not consider them a sellout. Sellouts would be Metallica, Green Day, Offspring, Pantera, Stryper. These bands have mellowed their style or changed drastically one way or another to become more popu$lar. And one more thing, I don't know if you play guitar or write lyrics, but it is a hell of alot harder to write a #1 "Bon Jovi" type song than not to. 5. Attn James Becker; You wrote that the Mirror was your least favorite song I am curious as to why? This "worst song" stuff is gonna get ugly. The song I dislike the most from DT is *gulp* "Surrounded" only because of that one part "Light to dark, dark to Light, Light....." it sounds so $%^#$%^ stupid. One jammers opinion. Oh one more thing James, you said Pantera couldn't write songs like "Surrounded" and "LtL" try to find some of their Hairspray mainstream stuff before they turned hardcore, they had some really good stuff back then. (I hate pantera now just so you know). That is all sorry for the length. John email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:06:20 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Awake album promos Message-ID: Well, if you went to the Baltimore show and waited around afterwards you could get one of these for free and signed by the band. Pat Daugherty email_address_removed "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:51:49 -0500 (EST) From: James Bako To: email_address_removed Subject: misc. reply Message-ID: Re: Violins- About Dixie Dregs, Jerry Goodman is the man in question. Someone here mentioned John Mclaughlin, so the two of them pointed me toward Mahavishnu Orchestra. I picked up their live album Between Nothingness and Eternity. Major intensity throughout the disc, with 40+minutes of jazz fusion excitement. Jan Hammer (of Miami Vice fame) is also featured prominently in this record, even though it is Mglaughlin who leads the way. Believer (RIP) also features a violin, cello and soprano in one song off each of their last two albums: Dies Irae (from Sanity Obscure) and Trilogy of Knowledge (Dimensions). Some jammers might not like them too much since they're a thrash band, and their vocals are definitely an acquired taste. The string arrangements are not over the top progressive, but are done very tastefully and flow with the heaviness of the band. Re: Worst DT song. I could see why some don't like IF. I think the end jam section does save the tune, and I only wish that it could've been longer. CiaW's middle section, while subtler than Metropolis', is just as difficult to play. As far as my pick for worst DT song, if anything, I'd say LSOAD simply as a matter of personal taste. I don't see anything special there except for JP's guitar work during the verses (listen closely) and the middle instrumental section. Also, it seems that the only time I get to concentrate on the music I listen to, is on the subway on the way to/from school or work, so for me, the quieter stuff gets skipped 'cause it's difficult to hear in those conditions, like Another Day, Voices/TSM, and Surrounded. Re: Production. The I&W snare sound was (I think) discussed here previously, and (correct me if i'm wrong) it was triggered. While the drumming might be just a teeny bit less intricate on Awake, it sounds a hell of a lot better, more realistic. As a keyboard player, I really enjoyed the complex interplay between KM & JP on I&W (damn those abbreviations). It's still there in Awake, and the problem is not in the mix. Moore tended to use 'dirty-sounding' samples this time around, and it blends almost completely with the guitars. Listen to CiaW with headphones, keys-left, guitars-right, it's all there. My only guess to why it came out this way is that Kevin's heart just wasn't totally into the band by the time recording started, so he limited his presence, I personally don't believe that it was a matter of making himself easier to replace. That's enough for now, later James Bako email_address_removed Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:56:43 -0600 (CST) From: Ricky Booth To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 670 Message-ID: > album list and bootleg list. you shhould hear mastermind and black > jester... incredible bands in the same vein as DT. mastermind's > drummer is absolutely incredible, as is the guitarist (who does synth > guitar stuff too... very well done). mastermind is like, ELP using > electric guitar and guitar synth, with a real singer and good lyrics, > better songwriting ability, and an incredible drummer, all mixed with > dream theater. black jester is a neoclassical metal band, kinda like > wdadu or early yngwie and they're very exciting... very cool Where can I get these? Black Jester sounds particularly appealing. WDADU is my favorite CD of all time, also my fav DT cd... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:42:01 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Magellan Message-ID: James Bickers writes: > just another loud death band, you know? They couldn't write a song like pantera are not death metal. death metal bands tend to be more artistic than pantera and pantera are not even close in sound. maybe you should borrow death's "individual thought patterns". serious musicianship, good songs, blows pantera away. > "LTL" or "Surrounded" if their lives depended on it, and even if they > did, they certainly couldn't _sing_ it!?! What gives? pantera wouldn't want to because it doesn't fit their image under brooding skies and watchful email_address_removed on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home -cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html- guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:15:35 -0500 From: (Kevin R Laferriere) To: email_address_removed Subject: I&W vs. Awake Message-ID: IMHO, Awake is much better than I&W. IMHO, I&W is too "light", and Awake is definetly dark. Scarred is my favorite track, it sends chills down my spine. I love Caught In A Web, and innocence faded. I think it's hard to compare albums. Look at Queensryche. You never know what to expect. They are very diverse, and DT shows in Awake that they are too. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Operation : Webcrime - Dream Theater files - Queensryche files - Pearl Jam files - Humor files - DEC ALPHA information - PLUS links to other pages Check out my new home page! ftp://ftp.usmcs.maine.edu/pub/www/laferrie/www/kl.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:50:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Stewart To: email_address_removed Subject: Drums on I&W Message-ID: The snare sound is so full on I&W because it was triggered. A trigger is basically a device that picks up the sound of the drum when it is hit and processes it digitally into a computer or MIDI interface. From there they can do whatever they want to that sound. I personally can't stand that sound but that's just me. I love I&W and the drumming on it, don't get me wrong there, but the snare sounds so unnatural. I'm a big fan of accoustic drums sounding the way they're naturally meant to and apparently Portnoy is too. He said in an interview with Modern Drummer magazine (I forget the month of the issue but if you want it I can find it for you) that the decision to put the trigger on there was made by the producer and not himself. He says he didn't like it because it took out many of the ghost notes and such that he played on that album but there was nothing he could say about it at the time. I personally love the accoustic sound on Awake. To me I&W sounds a hell of a lot more mechanical drumwise than Awake does and the overall sound of Awake just blows me away. I&W could've been that much better had they left the trigger off the snare drum because you would be able to hear the little things...but that's just my opinion so no flames please. On a side note, I would like to know what the best quality Dream Theater boot available is, I need to start my boot collection. Thanks a lot Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:25:08 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: email_address_removed Subject: Marillion/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- ------------------------------ From: email_address_removed Subject: Marillo/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH For those in the UK really... I just got off the phone with some guy that claimed to be Steve Rothery. Apparantly Dream Theater is playing a concert in London on Tuesday, some kind of special gig where they are going to play cover songs from bands that influenced them. They have invited some of the musicians there and one of them is Steve, who will be joining them on stage to play 'Warm Wet Circles.' Of course Steve had a lot of interesting news from the Marillion camp which I am in the process of transcribing for the next issue of The Web USA, but I wanted to post this right away because it is happening in 3 days. Take care and stand straight, Dan S +| dps |+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE WEB USA tel (708) 213-1WEB PO BOX 1003 fax (708) 213-0298 STREAMWOOD, IL 60107 E-mail: email_address_removed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We cut another record, it never was a hit, Cuz someone in the newspaper said it was shit." - N. Lowe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:46:51 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Missing Ytsejams Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > > Could some kind soul tell me which issue my post was in? It was issue #664. > And could > the powers-that-be refresh me on how to obtain back issues again? To retrieve issue (for example) 664, you would send: get ytsejam ytsejam.664 to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a blank subject line (or asdf as the subject). To get the index, send: index ytsejam to the same address with the same blank (or asdf) subject line. -- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer email_address_removed A hilltop paved with gold email_address_removed We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:47:39 PST From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Pantera bashing Message-ID: Pantera was much better back in the 80's... -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ REAL: email_address_removed + VIRTUAL: email_address_removed *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 671 *************************