YTSEJAM Digest 668 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Fates Warning "Valley of the Dolls" lyrics by An Angel's Kiss 2) Re: Silent Man single/electri... by email_address_removed 3) RE: FW by "Michael R Kizer" 4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 663 by email_address_removed 5) Various Things by STEVE SMITS 6) Re:Majesty Demos by email_address_removed 7) Extreme Bashing by email_address_removed (Peter Dziadzka) 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 659 by email_address_removed (Ken Higginson) 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 663 by email_address_removed (Ken Higginson) 10) Rush Fav - Presto? by Shawna Lea of the Many Nicknames 11) Magellan by email_address_removed 12) by email_address_removed 13) Re: Where was digest 665? by Stephen Bajzek 14) Any lyricists out there? by Michelle Garcia 15) FW, Age, Rush by TOM.INMAN%email_address_removed 16) Re: Worst song/innocence faded by Michael Bahr 17) Re: Silent Man single/electri... by Michael Bahr 18) Engineers rule!! by "Brian J. Wherry" 19) Re: Moon Bubbles... by William T Bajzek 20) Re: Electric Violins by Robert J Weychert Jr 21) Re: Worst song/innocence faded by Stephen Bajzek 22) Re: Worst song/innocence faded by Tymoteusz Altman 23) Re: by Stephen Bajzek 24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 666 by email_address_removed 25) ... about Valley Arts... by alfredo.cappello@galactica.it (ALFREDO CAPPELLO) 26) "Home Sweet Home" or "Live in Long Island?" by Robert J Weychert Jr 27) "Worst" song by Keast Michael J 28) DT Covers show by Andrew Keegan 29) Musical theme repetitions by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:46:36 -0500 (EST) From: An Angel's Kiss To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fates Warning "Valley of the Dolls" lyrics Message-ID: blasphemous black bible bias you betray bigotry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ holy consonance, Batman! it is consonance isn't it, where a line has the same letter for each word? I don't remember my high school English classes that well. If its not consonance, then I feel stupid that the whole point of the message is screwed up. :( oh well - you get the point. - Al Balkiewicz vocals, Half NAked blah blah blah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:38:54 C From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Silent Man single/electri... Message-ID: >> > We'll NEVER see another DT video on MTV now that the >Ball has been >> >axed and Riki's out of a job. I hated that show anyway, but it was >the >> >only way to see FW and DT videos. >> >> I never saw a FW video on HBB. > > They played Monument... ONCE I think. > >Mike Bahr, email_address_removed My brother claims he saw "Leave the Past Behind" at least twice... *shrug* Wish I had.... ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 1995 09:46:09 GMT From: "Michael R Kizer" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: FW Message-ID: With all this talk about getting DTers to listen to FW, I have to add that for me FW introduced me to DT. I saw the video for Different Eyes from the Perfect Symmetry album on the Headbangers Ball and was blown away by the vocals and the duel guitar work. I went out and bought the CD and listened to it over and over. I thought these guys were great, so while reading the liner notes, I noticed that they mentioned bands that were friends of theirs (DT being one of them). So I went out to locate a DT album (figuring that they must be in the same league as FW). Nobody in my area (Southern California) had heard of them. I was bummed...I finally talked to a guy in a small import shop who knew about them and said that they had a CD that was not released in the US (WDADU). So I ordered it. It took quite a few months to get it, and by that time PMU began playing on the radio (and I knew I had to get it). So I bought I&W when it came out (and my order for WDADU cam e in shortly after that). Anyway, just wanted to say that DT and FW are both superb bands in their own unique styles and that you really can't compare them side by side. +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation | | Office (email only): email_address_removed | | Home: email_address_removed | | "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chos." --Rush | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 10:59:52 C From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 663 Message-ID: >Finally, I remember hearing a band called "The Strawbs" a long time >ago. I think Rick Wakeman (sp) played with them. They had an >incredible song called "Where is This Dream of Your Youth" (something like >that). Anyone ever hear of it. >G. I have that song, along with two others, on a tape that someone else sent to me about a month ago. It is Wakeman playingon that song, at the ripe old age of 19! Pretty good, IMHO... >-- > George Voronoff > > CPSG > 493 St Kilda Rd > Melbourne, Victoria 3004 > Australia > 61 3 243 2300 > email_address_removed.au Chrisf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:07:16 -0600 (CST) From: STEVE SMITS To: email_address_removed Subject: Various Things Message-ID: Date sent: 27-JAN-1995 10:33:21 A few things I want to shout about: - Who needs a backstage pass? I met them with ease without one. All I did was go by their bus after the show and wait around. Eventually they came out the backstage door and stood around for about 45 minutes talking with fans and signing stuff. If you can find the hotel they're staying at (if they stay overnight in the city) so much the better. I found Rush's hotel in Milwaukee by calling and seeing if their lighting director was checked in. The musical artists themselves usually check in under false names. It just so happens though that Rush put themselves up in a more luxurious hotel than where their road crew stays, so I ended up at the wrong hotel...but I doubt DT do that. Rush were at the road crew hotel the night before though. They drank at the the bar all night. Sex on the Beaches are what they drank and later on they went and bought a basketball at the local mall and screwed around in the lobby with it. - I work at a Media Play. If WDADU isn't in the imports section, we can special order it for 3 dollars down towards the purchase price. We also have or can get the UK Lie CD single and we should be able to get the new Silent Man one as well. Special orders take 10 to 14 days. Before any DT fan lurks about for other prog rock, make sure WDADU is in your possession. (IMHO... it's one of the finest prog albums of the 80's) - To Trey: Yes, Mtv did play FW videos on the Ball. I remember seeing "Eye to Eye" many, many times. I also remember seeing Perfect Symmetry stuff but nothing from the latest one. - On a Rush related note to any traders, there's a fake Caress of Steel show floating out and about. Some guy put together all the CoS songs off the 6/4/77 London tape and spread it around. I have yet to see/hear a real CoS show. (Been looking for many moons for one) - Queensryche fans rejoice! I got the new Modern Drummer with Rockenfield on the cover. He said the US tour will have no opening act and will be "An Evening with Queensryche." (Similar to what Yes and Metallica have done in recent years) They will play all of Promisedland and I suspect a lot of older stuff as well. I reckon it'll be about a 3 hour show. ******************************************************************************** * "Ravage, plunder, see no wonder, rape, kill and tear asunder... * Chop the forest, plow it under..." Kansas - 1975 * * *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows *** * Steve Smits email_address_removed ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:17:12 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:Majesty Demos Message-ID: To Shawna, The Majesty demos are available on the Majestic Harmonies boot. "The spider in the window" | "The angel in the pool" | "The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola "Now the widow makes the rules"| email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:18:11 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Peter Dziadzka) To: email_address_removed Subject: Extreme Bashing Message-ID: > 2) To the Extreme fans. I used to love Extreme. III sides was my > absolute favorite CD. But then I went to their concert... > I think that Nuno's good, but NOT repeat NOT good enough to > take SEVEN guitar SOLOS (i.e. no one else on the stage). > That, coupled with the irritating practice of playing the > first half of a song, then swtiching to a new song > (I think they made it completly through only 3 songs > the whole night). I don't like them any more. > Also if anyone else saw them, BACK ME UP ON THIS!! I most certainly won't back you up. I had the extreme (sorry) pleasure of seeing them headline the Riviera here in Chicago during the III Sides tour. I didn't find any of the band's soloing to be self indulgent. One of the coolest moments of any show I've ever seen was when their horn section got in a circle around Nuno, and traded licks with him. Extreme is one of the most solid live bands I've ever seen--along with DT, Queensryche, and Rush. In addition, III Sides is by far the weakest album Extreme has done. Even the first album is better. Pornograffiti is their true masterpiece. I'm waiting (with some trepidation) for the new album 'Waiting for the Punchline', and hoping that it will bring them back stylistically to their heavier days. **stepping down from my soapbox** Well, alright then! All the talk of the new boot 'Kick Into A Dream' has really got me salivating. Now if I can just find it! Pete _______________________________________________________________ | Peter Dziadzka | Searching for a chord I can't hear | | email_address_removed | Been searching for years | |--------------------------| It's somewhere inside | | Fretboard Fiend, SF Fan, | But it's well disguised | |_________MtG Addict_______|______"If I Go Away" - Savatage_____| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 10:35:21 MST From: email_address_removed (Ken Higginson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 659 Message-ID: Someone figured out all of Space Dye Vest? Put it on the archive!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 10:39:26 MST From: email_address_removed (Ken Higginson) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 663 Message-ID: The solo on the Live in Tokyo video, after "To Live Forever" is called "Barfbag"... John wrote it on a plane... Guess what he used for paper. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:43:10 -0500 (EST) From: Shawna Lea of the Many Nicknames To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush Fav - Presto? Message-ID: I have been listening to Rush for a long time...and I found it interesting what people who listen to both bands think about the two groups... personal opinion: They are all good, and I haven't heard a rotten album yet... The question of the week is: (: from the discussion (for the humor unimpaired :) on alt.music.dream-theater: For Rush and DT Fans: If Rush and DT came out with a new album on the same day and you only had enough money for one, which one would you get and why? Feel free to come up with any old wacky solution! Shawna Lea Adams Muireann MacOisdealblaigh email_address_removed email_address_removed I come from London town, I'm just an Ordinary guy....(yeah right) -Queen "Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:29:33 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Magellan Message-ID: I had been looking for a Magellan album ever since I heard all you guys rave about them and today I found "Impending Ascension". I would just like to say that it totally blew me away! There have only been three other bands that when I first heard them blew me away: Rush, Dream Theater, and Pantera. But this stuff is great. I could not believe they had it because I have been looking for it for some time. This music is like a really up beat Marillion with a little Yes in it. It is really great "happy" music. It is also very very progressive. There songs have more changes than . . . . . . . Something that changes a lot. I highly recommend it to anyone that can find a copy. ....... Hell I recommend it to those of you who can't find it! Now I have a question. Is there first album as good because if so I will probably hunt it down! :-> Sorry for Non-DT content. Trey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 13:05:50 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Message-ID: I don't think the jam after To Live Forever has a name, although it is similar to the jam after TLF on Live From Tokyo. SPOONMAN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 13:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Where was digest 665? Message-ID: Excerpts from mail: 27-Jan-95 Where was digest 665? by "L. Jason Hartman"@gl.um > I was just wondering if anyone received a Ytsejam digest number 665? > I got a 664 and a 666 a little bit ago. ^^^ cool! -max ------------------- Anton Max Keyboards, Aepithex MadMax+@CMU.EDU ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 11:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michelle Garcia To: email_address_removed Subject: Any lyricists out there? Message-ID: Hello DT Sisters (oops and Brothers, I guess). I was wondering if there are any lyricists on this krazy list? I am interested in communicating (via private email of course) with anyone who writes song lyrics especially if they are anything like those of Dream Theater. I write prose-poems which become songs and I worship Petrucci's lyrics. Voices gets to me every one of the 1000 times that I listen to it. So any writers out there? Somewhere? Please!? -------------------------------------------------------------- Michelle Garcia {{{{}}}} University of California, San Diego San Diego Supercomputer Center USA email: email_address_removed { "I feel elated, I feel depressed, sex is death, death is sex; says it right here on my crucifix." - Voices, DREAM THEATER } -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 95 11:09:00 -0600 From: TOM.INMAN%email_address_removed To: email_address_removed (Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: FW, Age, Rush Message-ID: My .02: FW: Thanks to The Doc and others who are trying to help us out on Fates - I also started with Parallels and am struggling to get into it (I swear Mike was writing just what I was thinking...). The whole episode reminds me a bit of a friend who had similar difficulty with Savatage - but now loves them. Anyway, I'll get Perfect Symmetry or No Exit and keep trying! Age: Congrats to the guys who are 42 for winning the age thing. :) I'm 34 and I knew I wouldn't "win" - I've seen quite a diversity of ages at DT shows (WDADU and I&W tours); much more so than other "young" bands. DT Nerds: About the Ytsejammer - cerebral thinker/college student/engineer similarities - I'm an engineer (aerospace) as well, (now in flight operations). IMO, the connection between "educated/ college/engineer"-types and this forum is more a function of Net/WWW access and an interest in computers and technology than anything else. Like age, the diversity I've seen at shows has been extensive. [Hmm...to be fair, I should point out that I probably don't fit the typical "NASA engineer nerd" type - I've had long hair and played guitar in several rock bands (nothing major) since the mid-70's.] Whatever... Rush: I probably tend to favor the earlier stuff more than most of you, but I would recommend "must haves" as: Moving Pictures Permanent Waves 2112 A Farewell to Kings. *Several* other albums come in a close second, including the last album, Counterparts. Tom ----------------------- email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:17:12 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: > I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater song. > I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the > least good? Dunno. I don't think much of their Majesty-era stuff. Most of the album material is really very choice. Of the three studio albums' worth of material, the worst song imho would have to be either Afterlife or Innocence Faded. Afterlife is excellent musically (including the vocal work) but the lyrics themselves are painfully shallow and forced. Innocence Faded is DT's best attempt at becoming Winger... only the AWESOME jam at the end makes it albumworthy. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:23:08 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Silent Man single/electri... Message-ID: > I remember seeing 'Anarchy Divine' on the Ball once or twice. > > HBB was the only reason I watched MTV. Oh well. It's a blessing in disguise. Now they have made Primetime longer and put more "just videos" hours in during the day, since the cancellation of some of their lamer "shows". I find more and more rock within them now that HBB is gone. Besides, HBB was getting to the point where it was just a synposis of the day's dose of Offspring and NIN. Last night on MTV-normal (ordinary video time) they played Queensryche (Bridge), VH (DTMWLCD), Danzig (Cantspeak), Megadeth (Train), and, surprise surprise, Lie. All of this mixed in with the usual HEAVY exposure to Live, Offspring, STP, Soundgarden, and then all of the shit rap and pop groups. Mike Bahr, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 17:23:31 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" To: Subject: Engineers rule!! Message-ID: <27JAN95.18783475.0016.MUSIC@LAFAYACS> Kudos to all the engineers out there who are DT fanatics! I was also wondering how many of you engineers really wanted to be music majors, but decided to become engineers for money, and hoped to still have a band on the side (like me). Figures I picked an engineering school in the middle of nowhere, so everytime a gig rolls around, I'm too damn far away!! Time to transfer . . . . .BOSTON!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:00:31 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Moon Bubbles... Message-ID: email_address_removed writes: > Isn't Barf bag just the name Petrucci gave to one of his Guitar World > lessons? And he did this because he was on an airplane and he wrote it down > on a barf bag. no, barfbag is the instrumental after to live forever on lost in the sky... we thought it was the solo on the american tour but someone said they played it on that radio show and mike said its barf bag under brooding skies and watchful email_address_removed on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home -cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html- guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 15:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: Robert J Weychert Jr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Electric Violins Message-ID: The Mark Wood album is titled, "Voodoo Violince", for whoever wanted to know. :) --Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:40:05 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: Excerpts from mail: 27-Jan-95 Worst song/innocence faded by email_address_removed > I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater song. > I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the > least good? The only one I don't like is Another Day, and sometimes I even like that. When it's in it's proper place, for example, right before the Killing Hand. Whenever I hear Another Day and it's followed by something other than Another Hand, I get really disappointed. sigh. Other than that, Afterlife doesn't really thrill me. Don't much care for the lyrics. The solos are good but kind of stereotypical. On the other hand, I *love* Innocence Faded. -max ------------------- Anton Max Keyboards, Aepithex MadMax+@CMU.EDU ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: > > I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater song. > I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the > least good? > i think innocence faded is their worst song. one of the reasons is that part you thought sounds like jefferson airplane...'beginnings get complicated...', i _hate_ that part! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Message-ID: Excerpts from mail: 27-Jan-95 by > Yuck!!! Your opinion probably differs from mine but I found the vocals > horrible. I can stand most guys, even Charlie Donniwuzzie and the > growlers of bands like Death and Cynic. I must say that I would much have > preferred the album to be all instrumental, so you could better hear > the great playing, most jazz don't need vocals so why should this? I > mean, if we can stand constant time-changes and other features of > prog-rock, we won't really need vocals just to make the music more > listenable (at least some bands think along these lines). Um, pardon me if I ask, but who exactly are you talking about here? It seems unclear to me. -max ------------------- Anton Max Keyboards, Aepithex MadMax+@CMU.EDU ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:54:03 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 666 Message-ID: Can anyone give me any information on how to get a hold of the magazine Goldmine? Thanks... alex. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 19:30:00 +0100 From: alfredo.cappello@galactica.it (ALFREDO CAPPELLO) To: email_address_removed Subject: ... about Valley Arts... Message-ID: <8A26492.00010089FB.uuout@galactica.it> Yt> > I play the guitar, so I talked with JP about the guitar. Yt> > Though he asked me if my guitar was made by Ibaneze, Yt> unfortunately my Yt> > guitar is not. Yt> > I said "Valley Arts." But I lost heart when he didn't seem to Yt> know it. Yt> > Is it unknown, or just only for my bad pronunciation????? Yt> Isnt that the same guitar maker that Larry Carlton got all of HIS Yt> guitars from? Well... I'm really disappointed that John didn't know Valley Arts. Since a year ago Valley Arts makes the best guitar on the all world: the STEVE LUKATHER sign model. My best friend bought this guitar and It's really the best (and of course expansive) guitar I've used. EMGpickups, all handwork... BTW now Valley Arts was not the same. Samick bought the small Valley Factory and now there isn't anymore the Lukather model (Now Steve is endoorsed by MUSIC MAN) K * Q-Blue 1.0 * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) From: Robert J Weychert Jr To: email_address_removed Subject: "Home Sweet Home" or "Live in Long Island?" Message-ID: Hello, Jammers, I have a question that I feel certain one or many of you could answer. I recently traded for a live DT show that was nameless, save the date and place: Long Island, NY 10/4/92. I don't know if it's "Live in Long Island" or "Home Sweet Home", though I feel certain it's one of them. Here's the set list: 1. Metropolis 6. The Ytse Jam 2. Under a Glass Moon 7. Guitar Solo 3. Only a Matter of Time 8. Another Day 4. Surrounded 9. The Killing Hand 5. Pull Me Under The main reason I suspect that it's "Home Sweet Home" is that James says those very words after (I think) Metropolis. Anyway, can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance! :) --Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 19:04:42 -0500 (EST) From: Keast Michael J To: Dream Theater mailing list Subject: "Worst" song Message-ID: I don't know if DT really have a "worst" song, since all of their music is incredible, but I'd have to say that "Lie" is their least incredible song, IMHO. Mike Keast Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:26:48 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DT Covers show Message-ID: =========================================================================== Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers If you're one of the lucky bastards going to the covers show, then skip this message so you'll be surprised. Or if you just don't wanna know any of the songs they are playing, then skip it, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope that's enough. Anyway, I have just learned from a reputable source that one of the cover's they are doing is "Tears" from Rush. Also an Iron Maiden song which 'might' be "Iron Maiden" an instrumental. I'm not sure on that one, but "Tears" seems pretty definite. I really hope they do something like this in the states. Andy ================================================= ANDREW KEEGAN (email_address_removed) "I am but a starling, learning the currents of the air" -Castanarc ================================================ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 22:29:38 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Musical theme repetitions Message-ID: I noticed a musical theme repetition that I don't think anyone here has discussed. The vocal melody in Innocence Faded at 2:11 to 2:20 is repeated with the keyboards in Erotomania at 2:38, which then continues with the theme changing slightly. I am interested if many of you think this is deliberate. On another note, has anyone listened to music by Tuck and Patti? They mostly do covers and they don't sound anything like DT really. They are a husband and wife acustic guitar and vocal duo. All of their soungs feature remarkable guitar work which I think many DT fans would like. Perhaps their best known song is a rendition of Hendrix's Little Wing and another song which the name excapes me at the moment (the CD is in my car). Also, I took a bunch of photographs of The Dream Theater in Monterey, however I am waiting to finish up the roll before I send it in, so it will be a bit longer untill I can get the images on the net. -Eric ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 668 *************************