YTSEJAM Digest 642 Today's Topics: 1) European-Tour and stuff by email_address_removed.de 2) Miscellany by email_address_removed.ac.uk 3) Re: DT and classical music by Atsushi Kawami 4) DT and Classical Music by email_address_removed (Rob Martino) 5) P DAUGHER@BDMSERVER by TIM LODGE SGA/PRE-LAW/MICRO/MAC LABS 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 638 by 7) DT/Tori and other influences by email_address_removed 8) Tour by email_address_removed.ac.uk 9) Re: DT and classical music by Tymoteusz Altman 10) Re: DT and classical music by Tymoteusz Altman 11) Favorite Bands by email_address_removed 12) DT Awake Interactive... by email_address_removed 13) To Bay Area Ytsejammers... by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) 14) DT and Tori by "Dan Tshin" 15) Question: Asians in Rock by "Dan Tshin" 16) Re: DT and classical music/other music by James Bako 17) Re: favorite groups, and classical, too by Dario M Zagar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:32:15 +0100 (MEZ) From: email_address_removed.de To: email_address_removed (ytsejam) Subject: European-Tour and stuff Message-ID: Hello, I have some bad news and some good news: First the bad news: Fates Warning are not going to tour as Headliner in Europe. F.W.-Management where this is confirmed. But now the good news: They are going to support Dream Theater!!!!!!!!!! Hell, I'm dying to see this package!!!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Freedom belongs only to those without video screens for eyes and mouth ---- ---------------------- Queensryche - Screaming In Digital ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with words. Until then - ----------------- we'll light another candle for this world. ------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Till 'Tillroy' Wagner Elisabethenstr. 42f; D-63225 Langen; Germany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 10:47:49 GMT From: email_address_removed.ac.uk To: email_address_removed Subject: Miscellany Message-ID: Do any of you guys get the official fanzine "Images and Words"? #5 is due in February. I've been getting it since #1, and it seems pretty cool. I got some stuff printed in #2 :-) It has exclusive interviews with the band, and stuff from Mike Portnoy's personal archives, etc. It's alright for 1.50 (uk pounds). The address is mentioned in the Awake packaging, if you look hard. I haven't seen the poster version supplied with the Lie 12" - what's it like? Bye for now Graham B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 20:18:42 +0900 From: Atsushi Kawami To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT and classical music Message-ID: Sorry for no DT content, but I'm very surprised! On Fri, 6 Jan 1995 22:14:44 +0800, Michael Bahr said: >> George Winston (solo piano) Autumn >> This is the best solo piano album made ever, period. Buy it. Also >> as you listen to it, notice the Dream Theater, Steve Vai and Chris >> Degarmo riffs that they probably based upon VERY similar sounding parts >> of "Autumn". Winston plays the piano masterfully, and the seven tracks on >> this are so touching and powerful you'll wonder why you didn't already >> own this CD. >> George Winston (solo piano) Winter into Spring, December, Forest >> These are Winston's other three good albums, Forest being a new >> release with damn near 75 minutes of music (I like it!!) None quite has >> the pure... gravity... of Autumn.. but all are worthy albums. I could't imagine I could meet an enthusiast of George Winston in this list! Because I've thought G.W. and DT are playing quite different music. But as he mentioned interesting analysis between G.W. and DT, I'm going to linsten to G.W.'s album carefully tonight. P.S. I like G.W.'s all album, but my fovorite is December, especially the canon of P.(sp?) ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ` Kawami Atsushi (E-Mail: email_address_removed.ac.jp) ` ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 09:03:45 EST From: email_address_removed (Rob Martino) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT and Classical Music Message-ID: It doesn't seem my post on Friday got to the group, so I'll try again (if anyone got the original one please let me know, I'm retying this one): One of the most fantastic pieces of the 20th century is Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. Very rhythmic and hard-hitting, it was so unusual that on it's premiere night sometime in the 1910's or 20's it started a riot in the audience. Now it's considered one of the great orchestral masterpieces, it never fails to give me goosebumps when I hear a great performance of this. I'll also recommend Holst- Planets, which started the whole sci-fi movie style of music (as someone mentioned earlier about John Williams). Each "planet" conveys a different type of emotion or feeling, from dark and sinister to mellow and surreal. Orff- Carmina Burana, this is a powerful choral work, which you might recognize from it's opening piece O Fortuna (its been in several movies). Beethoven's 9th- My favorite symphony. Try the Karajan 1977 performance, which is the most amazing I've heard so far. The most incredible thing is that Beethoven composed the whole thing after he had lost his hearing! Messiaen- Turangalila Symphony- 70+ minutes long, written around the middle of this century. Has a part for one of the early electronic instruments, the Ondes Martentot, which adds a unique surreal quality to the music. Very dramatic and somewhat eerie. Also, there is a symphonic progressive rock group called Anglagard, who just came out with the best prog ablum of the 90's- EPILOG. This music is just fantastic, they have a mature and well-developed sound, including mellotrons, flute, cello, guitars, analog synths, bass and extended percussion. They take somewhat of a classical approach to composition, and the music is hauntingly dark and beautiful. No prog rock listener should die before hearing this! Hope this one goes through! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 9:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: TIM LODGE SGA/PRE-LAW/MICRO/MAC LABS To: email_address_removed Subject: P DAUGHER@BDMSERVER Message-ID: sorry for the non-dt content, but i'm trying to reach P DAUGHER@BDMSERVER but your full email address wasnt sent to me and i cant reply to your question1 !!! please email me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 638 Message-ID: > P.S. 6:00 is too a cool song! (And my dad can beat up your dad, to boot!) Llama taboot taboot In fact, I like many bands, from progmetal (DT, QRyche, Cynic, Death, Voivod, Toxik) to progrock (Marillion, Anglagard, Anekdoten) to 70s prog (PFM, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes) to fusion (Return to Forever, Corea, Michael Manring, Focus) to flamenco (Strunz and Farah, Paco de Lucia) to jazz (Bela Fleck, Bolling, Bobby McFerrin) to rock (Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Faith No More) to "alternative" (The Cure, 10000 Maniacs, Sarah McLachlan). I even like some straight classical, though not enough to listen to regularly, and country, though only mixed with jazz (like Colonel Bruce Hampton and the ARU). We progressive types, we like a lot of good music. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 11:34:45 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT/Tori and other influences Message-ID: Hi all, very interesting to see everyone and there diverse musical taste! I for one, love Dream Theater and Tori Amos among other bands. Just to add my .02 and 1/2 cents worth, here is a list that might open up some eyes: Marillion,Fish,Kate Bush,Anekdoten,Yngwie Malmsteen(old),Uli Jon Roth and anything with him and the Scorpions, Paco DeLucia, Michael Hedges, Brend Steidl,Threshold(check out this UK based band!),Mastermind,Echolyn,Magellan,CarlosMontoya,IQ,UK, Genesis(old),Peter Gabriel,Janes Addiction,Tribe after Tribe,Cairo,Andres Segovia,Aquarium Rescue Unit, Frank Zappa, Ozric Tentacles,Fire Merchants and too many others to list! Keep it coming! Tony K :{) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 16:38:53 GMT From: email_address_removed.ac.uk To: email_address_removed Subject: Tour Message-ID: Aaaaaaaargh!! If the UK tour dates that have been flying around on this list are correct, it means Dream Theater will be playing here (Glasgow) on the same night as Megadeth (15th March) . . . so much of DT's potential audience will be at another show! I will be at the DT show, but all of my friends, who would have also gone to DT,will now be going to Megadeth :-( What a bummer. Graham B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT and classical music Message-ID: > > So far it seems that many ytsejammers have pretty diverse tastes, so I have > a question: what about classical music? Do some of you listen to it and have > any favorite composers or pieces? I'd be interested to try out some new > styles and make my tape collection more complete. I like complex, intense > and sometimes dark music. Does anyone have suggestions? It would be interes- > ting to see what ytsejammers listen to, apart from Dream Theater. Hmmm...well my fave is Paganini. In particular if played on classical guitar. Someone on ytsejam informed me of a cd which i bought as soon as i could go down to the cd store. It is Elliot Fisk playing Paganini's 24 Caprices. This cd is amazing! It's 79 minutes of pure blistering, complex guitar playing. Some of my other faves are J.S. Bach, and Chopin. I also love Flamenco guitarists like Paco de Lucia, or Paco de Pena. Any other DT fans who love flamenco/spanish guitar music ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT and classical music Message-ID: > Andres Segovias (solo classical guitar) "My Favourites" > After listening to this guy, you'll think John Petrucci is a > greenhorn. I can't figure out how this maestro from Spain plays a single > guitar and makes it sound like four guitars playing separate parts at > blinding speed. That's exactly what i thought when i heard him play. and it's weird, because he has such little fat fingers too :) He definitely is a guitar god! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:34:06 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Favorite Bands Message-ID: I have always liked to see what other peoples favorite bands, I also tend to notice that DT fans are so much more diversified as far as musical tastes. Someone said a few days ago that one of the bands they liked was Pretty Maids! I didn't think anyone else had ever heard of them? Are they still together? What was there last CD? Anyways here's my different list: 1. Kiss 2. Dream Theater 3. QR 4. Stevie Ray Vaughn 5. Skid Row 6. Bang Tango 7. Motley Crue 8. Bonnie Raitt 9. Kenny g 10. Buddy Guy Not quite normal but.... I also saw someone write that most 'Metal Heads' don't like DT. I think the reason is because of the keyboards. Most musicians who like HR or HMetal like DT cause they can respect their musical capabilities, but as far as the mainstream goes, I think it's the keyboards. Most metalheads hate Keyboards, including myself, but the fact that KM and the new guy play the board like a guitar and really do have talent, I respect it and Have actually grown to like it. I got into DT through my brother who copied WDADU when he first got it. I hated it because of the keyboards, (being a metalhead and all), but when IAW came out, my brother again got me the CD and I loved it. Probably alot to do with James, I still to this day dislike the first singer. Anyway that's my story. John H. email_address_removed <"He said, 'Kindly reconsider the sins of your past.'" "And I said, 'Mr. you can kindly kiss my ass!'" G. Simmons- "Thou Shalt not" Qoute - Why doesn't MS-Dos ever say; "Excellent command or filename"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jan 1995 22:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Awake Interactive... Message-ID: Hi, Was just curious. I remember talk about a promo item for Awake, an interactive disk. Was this just on a disk or was there a version on CD-ROM as well? If there was a CD-ROM version, is it more powerful or are they both the same as far as features,etc... Anyone remember or have the digest where this was discussed... -greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 95 19:00:53 PST From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: To Bay Area Ytsejammers... Message-ID: 92.3 KSJO (that rock station here in the South Bay that tries too hard to compete with the 2 other "alternative" stations here) has an e-mail address: email_address_removed I've heard them give it out about three times now, must be legit. I'm going to request they play more Dream Theater, specifically, CIAW. I finally heard this last Fri. night (late). I suggest anyone within range do the same. Even if you're not in broadcasting range, do it anyway--- just don't be too obvious... or not. Zach ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:23:40 +0000 From: "Dan Tshin" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT and Tori Message-ID: Well, in the summer at the Shad Valley program at Carleton University, I borrowed a Tori Amos tape from one of the program assistants. I REALLY enjoyed the tape. At that time, I didn't have any DT stuff but I definitely knew of them because "Pull me Under" was playing and Petrucci was all over guitar magazines. Now that I have copies of WDADU (from my library!!!) and I&W and I went out and bought Awake (and I want to buy WDADU and I&W) I am just awed at their music and talent. I didn't think about the connection DT and Tori have until it was mentioned here, but when I think of it, there are really some connections especially their ability to mix emotion. I can say for sure that her stuff is a really good listen. It appeals to my musical tastes, anyways, and I'm definitely not surprised that a lot of Ytsejammers and DT fans like her. Here's a little background on me: I've trained in classical piano to Grade 10 RCM (Royal Conservatory of Music). I enjoy the greats (Bach, Beethoven, Mozart...) and also Debussy, Tchaikovsky and various works. I'm quite fascinated in Baroque music especially Bach's Preludes and Fugues. I like symphony work as well as piano (Chopin!!). I'd recommend operas from Berlioz, Puccini, and the "Valkeries" from Wagner. I've heard some guitar work and violin work especially Paganinni (as someone else has mentioned him.) Some of Petrucci's work/runs remind me of classical music and for some reason Malmsteen!! I just believe in having varied musical tastes: I am big esp. in Progressive metal, but I also listen to pop sometimes, classical, "party" rock (Van Halen), alternative and even dance once in a blue moon. What _really_ impress me are musicians that are able to express themselves both lyrically and musically. I think some fine examples are DT, Tori Amos, Queensryche, Rush, King's X, and Galactic Cowboys to mention a few. -------------------------------Dan Tshin------------------------------+ .. "gO aGaInSt ThE fLoW" | _ _ | . /o--\/ ----> email_address_removed <---- | ( /V\ ) | \___/\ Shad Valley Carleton '94 SuRvIvOr | M | Shad WWW: http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Shad/homepage.html | | | Shad Bio http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Shad/dtshin.html | | =+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-=+ "Ryche" | Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with | words. Until then we'll light another candle for this world. | Love is the Dance of Eternity - Dream Theatre "Images and Words" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 23:33:50 +0000 From: "Dan Tshin" To: email_address_removed Subject: Question: Asians in Rock Message-ID: Hi, I have a question. How many of you know of Asians/Orientals in Rock music? Is it THAT rare to find anyone of Asian descent in this biz? When DT first came out I noticed John Myung was Chinese (or is he Korean?) but he didn't get all the publicity-Petrucci did. But NOW he is a couple of guitar and bass magazines and wow! his technique, style, and musicianship is excellent! If you're wondering... I am a Chinese and a guitar player... -------------------------------Dan Tshin------------------------------+ .. "gO aGaInSt ThE fLoW" | _ _ | . /o--\/ ----> email_address_removed <---- | ( /V\ ) | \___/\ Shad Valley Carleton '94 SuRvIvOr | M | Shad WWW: http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Shad/homepage.html | | | Shad Bio http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Shad/dtshin.html | | =+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-+=+-=+ "Ryche" | Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with | words. Until then we'll light another candle for this world. | Love is the Dance of Eternity - Dream Theatre "Images and Words" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 01:19:44 -0500 (EST) From: James Bako To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT and classical music/other music Message-ID: I'd like to add my .02 to this thread because indeed it is quite interesting to note the tastes of us ytsejammes. I myself come from a thrash/hardcore background, with lots of classical, prog., jazz (not the modern stuff that tries to pass itself off as jazz) an other influences. My partial list of CD's include the following: Acid Bath, Agnostic Front, Alice In Chains, Amorphis, Tori Amos, Anacrusis, Anal Cunt, Anthrax, Armored Saint, Atheist, J.S. Bach, Bad brains, Beastie Boys, Beethoven, Believer, Biohazard, Black Sabbath, Body Count, Brutal Truth, C.O.C., Michel Camilo, Carcass, Carnivore, Cathedral, Chemlab, Chopin, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Chick Corea, Cynic, Cypress Hill, Damn The Machine, Dark Angel, Miles Davis, Death, Demolition Hammer, Dio, Dixie Dregs, Dog Eat Dog, Dream Theater, Eliane Elias, Duke Ellington, ELP, Entombed, Faith No More, Fates Warning, Fear Factory, Fight, Flotsam And Jetsam, Genesis(old), Hades, Handel, Haydn, Helmet, Jimi Hendrix, Allan Holdsworth, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Kansas, King Diamond, Kreator, Led Zeppelin, Leeway, Life Of Agony, Living Colour, Luscious Jackson, Machine Head, Madball, Yngwie Malmsteen, Megadeth, Memento Mori, Mercyful Fate, Metal Church, Metallica, Mighty, Mighty Bosstones, Ministry, Morbid Angel, Motley Crue, Mozart, Mr. Bungle, Napalm Death, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, Neurosis, The Nice(Keith Emerson's pre-ELP group, for those of you who don't know), Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Non-Fiction, Obituary, Ozzy Osbourne, Overkill, P.F.M., Paganini, Pantera, Pestilence, Primus, Prong, Rage Against The Machine, Rush, S.O.D., Sacred Reich, Joe Satriani, Sepultura, Sick Of It All, Slayer,Smashing Pumpkins, Solitude Aeturnus, Souls At Zero, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, Suicidal Tendencies, Testament, Thought Industry, Type O Negative, U.K., Vivaldi, Voivod, White Zombie, Frank Zappa One thing that I refuse to do with regard to my CD collection is classify albums by stylistic criteria. The only ordering that I do (if at all :) would be alphabetical, including the classical material; which others like to keep seperated from the popular 'junk'. To me, it all has an opportunity for my listening pleasure. James Bako email_address_removed Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 13:05:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dario M Zagar To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: favorite groups, and classical, too Message-ID: Hell, how could I resist a chance to ramble about tunes I dig? (By the way, I am worse than a Jehovah's Witness when it comes to proselytizing about Dream Theater--I push it on everyone (I even bought Awake for my girlfriend for Christmas!)) Well, I dig: Rush, King Crimson (mandatory albums--Discipline, Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Red), Cynic, Slayer, Carcass, Death, Marillion, Thought Industry, Fates Warning, Pantera, Megadeth (up to Rust in Peace), Metallica, Yes, Testament, and, of course, the King, Elvis Presley. As for classical, I would recommend Pictures at an Exhibition by Mussorgsky (the godfather of heavy metal!)--it's really cool, with many "heavy" passages. For fans of guitar shredding, pick up Paganini's 24 Caprices. Bach's Goldberg Variations is enjoyable (any fellow nerdy folks out there read "Godel Escher Bach" by Hofstadter--this piece is discussed at length). Of course, the Fantasia soundtrack is a good "greatest hits" collection, including Tocatta and Fugue, Night on Bald Mountain, and an abridged Rite of Spring, all of which are musts for any metal fan. By the way, if you ever though John Williams was original, listen to Rite of Spring (among other pieces he has ripped off (though enjoyably) wholesale). Here's my .02 cents! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 642 *************************