YTSEJAM Digest 621 Today's Topics: 1) DT & Yes by Christopher Taylor Oates 2) Caselinr and Prog rock vs Prog Metal by Adam Soudure 3) caselinr again by Adam Soudure 4) Dream Theater via Moore Street by Rohit Modak 5) Re: DT & Yes by James Bickers 6) Re: YES by James Peele 7) Re: Caselinr and Prog rock vs Prog Metal by James Bako 8) IME one more time... by email_address_removed 9) Something Interesting by email_address_removed 10) Re: YES by Stephen Bajzek 11) Re: YES by James Bickers 12) What's with that? by email_address_removed (ERIK) 13) Re: Something Interesting by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) 14) DT going gold? by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 04:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Taylor Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: DT & Yes Message-ID: Well, I got flamed in alt.music.yes for daring to say that DT was better than Yes, but maybe I'll find a more sympathetic ear here :) I am a Yes fan, though only recently (since 91 or so) I don't like Close to the Edge. I know, it's heretical for a Yes fan, but it's true. I find the album to lack direction. It goes all over the place, sure it's progressive, but it's not "rock". It just doesn't seem to flow from one idea to another, but it plods, changes. plods, changes... This is speaking of the song, not the album as a whole. I like And You and I, but feel similarly about SIberian Khatru as I do about CTTE. It's sort of the epitome of what people refer to as the "pretentious musical masturbation" of prog music. I listen to songs like Metropolis, LtL or AMBI, and I feel like I've gone somewhere. I don't get that feeling from CTTE. I do, however, love Fragile. I think that's their best work. I also like the new Rabin work, so that automatically brands me as a Yes heretic. I think that Endless Dream is better than some of their older stuff, too. Oh well. :) ~Chris __ /\ __ __\/__\/__ \_||_/ /__||__\ // \ | \\ \| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 00:08:22 +0800 (WST) From: Adam Soudure To: email_address_removed Subject: Caselinr and Prog rock vs Prog Metal Message-ID: Re: CASELINR. I got it from syrinx.umd.edu (the Rush ftp site). The structure may have changed since the site came back up... Re: Prog Rock vs Prog Metal. I love btoth styles (as you could probably see from my sig). To me, prog-rock is the fore-runner of the prog-metal movement of the late-80's and early 90's and bands like DT and Queensryche would sound totally different if not for the great strides made by bands like Rush, Yes, Kansas, ELP King Crimson, Frank Zappa (I am sure Mike P could vouch for Zappa) etc On that basis, here are my recommendations for prog-mettalers who want to investigate prog-rock, and find it not heavy enough... ELP (Emerson,Lake and Palmer): we are talking ELP, Tarkus and Brain Salad Surgery here. They are very heavy in parts and should satisfy the metallers. What makes ELP heavy is the use of some really cool modes to give a very gothic sound (echos of Bartok and Stravinsky in spots) King Crimson: Red and Larks Tongue in Aspic. These are pretty heavy albums...you think DT does mind bending time changes, check out some of RObert Fripps compositions, they are very dense and feature some of the weirdest music I have ever heard (stuff in 17/8 and 19/16 to name a couiple) Yes: Close to the Edge and Relayer. every prog head should have these albums. They are 20th century classical music IMHO. The way the songs are orchestrated (especially And You And I & Gates of Delirium) set the standard for QR, DT, Rush, FW etc etc There are many other, but those should get you started. Other will contribute no doubt :) Adam -- *** RUSH ELP YES QUEEN QUEENSRYCHE FATES-WARNING KING'S-X *** *** Adam Soudure can be reached at: *** *** email_address_removed.au *** *** *** *** Keyboard Player and OS/2 User *** *** *** *** IRON-MAIDEN MOTORHEAD GENESIS KANSAS TRIUMPH K-CRIMSON*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 00:13:52 +0800 (WST) From: Adam Soudure To: email_address_removed Subject: caselinr again Message-ID: look in syrinx.umd.edu under the directory rush/programs/label should be called cslnrxx or something... hope that helps you out there :) Adam -- *** RUSH ELP YES QUEEN QUEENSRYCHE FATES-WARNING KING'S-X *** *** Adam Soudure can be reached at: *** *** email_address_removed.au *** *** *** *** Keyboard Player and OS/2 User *** *** *** *** IRON-MAIDEN MOTORHEAD GENESIS KANSAS TRIUMPH K-CRIMSON*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 11:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rohit Modak To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dream Theater via Moore Street Message-ID: I was reading the Village Voice, and what should I come across but an ad for The Sisters Karamazov, an off-broadway play. What struck me as interesting (and why I'm telling all of you this story) is the location of the playhouse: "One Dream Theater - 232 West Broadway (Enter on N. Moore Street) __________________________________________________________________________ Rohit Modak email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: James Bickers To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DT & Yes Message-ID: > I don't like Close to the Edge. I know, it's heretical for a Yes fan, > but it's true. I find the album to lack direction. It goes all over the > place, sure it's progressive, but it's not "rock". It just doesn't seem > to flow from one idea to another, but it plods, changes. plods, > changes... This is speaking of the song, not the album as a whole. I > like And You and I, but feel similarly about SIberian Khatru as I do > about CTTE. It's sort of the epitome of what people refer to as the > "pretentious musical masturbation" of prog music. I listen to songs like > Metropolis, LtL or AMBI, and I feel like I've gone somewhere. I don't > get that feeling from CTTE. I see what you mean, and have felt that way at times. I think that the rambling musicianship of Yes is what attracts some people...those people who are bored with musical convention and think that that is the only possible departure. > > I do, however, love Fragile. I think that's their best work. I also > like the new Rabin work, so that automatically brands me as a Yes heretic. > I think that Endless Dream is better than some of their older stuff, too. Speaking as a fan of older Yes, I have a hard time with Rabin's stuff. I really think there are two completely different bands there, much like there are two (or more, depending on who you are talking to) different King Crimsons, another of my favorite bands. That doesn't mean the new Yes is _bad_...it's just too different from the old for stuck-in-the-muds like myself to swallow. My .02, James ---------------------------------------------------- Full Service Printing * Typesetting * Graphic Design Continuous Forms * Computer Checks I M A G E S and W O R D S for more information, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:16:36 -0500 From: James Peele To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YES Message-ID: Yes is one of the best bands in the universe. I have every official CD from Yes and ABWH. I'd be confused if someone liked DT but not Yes (especially old Yes). JP is highly influenced by Steve Howe. My absolute favorite band of all time is none other than RUSH... No more exams, Jay Peele (INFERNO) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 14:39:23 -0500 (EST) From: James Bako To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Caselinr and Prog rock vs Prog Metal Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Adam Soudure wrote: > ELP (Emerson,Lake and Palmer): we are talking ELP, Tarkus and Brain > Salad Surgery here. They are very heavy in parts and should satisfy the > metallers. What makes ELP heavy is the use of some really cool modes to > give a very gothic sound (echos of Bartok and Stravinsky in spots) > The best place to start if you're interested in getting into ELP would be the Return of The Manticore box set. The only fault lies in that the long epics are taken somewhat out of their album context, but if you're looking for the be-all, end-all of ELP, this is as close as you can get. Another band worth mentioning would be the Italian prog band PFM. They were around during the early-mid-70's. Sure the lyrics are in Italian, but they play with enough feeling to make you forget about them. Lots of flutes and violins, and strong songs make the band a pleasure to listen to. Their stuff may be hard to find, since I think they're only available as imports. And of course, for more prog. check out alt.music.progressive on Usenet. James Bako email_address_removed Polytechnic University Brooklyn, New York ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 16:41:25 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: IME one more time... Message-ID: To anyone who has thge IME cd - is Armando Barg part of the band (i.e. is he on the cd)? I don't know what gave me the impression that he was just a touring part of the group - maybe that he looks so much older than the other guys in the band. Then again, I can't really imagine IME's sound without him. Oh yeah, whatever happened to the video for CiaW? There was talk about it when the song was mentioned as the next single, but not a word since. Any news? Mike P "Tonight, the prophet gets paid." - Wolfstone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:18:39 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Something Interesting Message-ID: I've heard nothing from Awake on LA Radio but, I heard a comercial for Tower Records the other day and they were using LIE as the background music! Time to start shopping at Tower. "The spider in the window" | "The angel in the pool" | "The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola "Now the widow makes the rules"| email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 18:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YES Message-ID: Excerpts from mail: 18-Dec-94 Re: YES by James email_address_removed > Yes is one of the best bands in the universe. I have every official CD > from Yes and ABWH. I'd be confused if someone liked DT but not Yes > (especially old Yes). JP is highly influenced by Steve Howe. > Well, I like DT, and can't stand Yes...not that I find anything wrong with their music, but the singing irritates the hell out of me. Just a personal taste thing, but I am really turned off by Jon Anderson's voice, and find it very difficult to listen to. To me it sounds like a cross between Sting and Alvin and the chipmonks, neither of which have ever impressed me. It sucks, too, because the music is really good and I just can't get into it because of the vocals. I have the same problem with Rush, but to a lesser extent. In their case I can ignore the vocals and listen to the music. But Geddy's singing has kept them from being one of my favorite bands. -max ---------------------------------------------------------- Like a scream but sort of silent, living off my nightmares Voices dismembering me ---------------------------------------------------------- derek derek derek derek derek (dereks courtesy of the derek fan club) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 00:22:31 -0500 (EST) From: James Bickers To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YES Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, James Peele wrote: > Yes is one of the best bands in the universe. I have every official CD > from Yes and ABWH. I'd be confused if someone liked DT but not Yes > (especially old Yes). JP is highly influenced by Steve Howe. No arguments here. I may be wrong, but I would venture to say that Yes was _one_ of the first rock bands ever to fully utilize the concept of multi-part songs, I.E. part A, part B, etc. I'd be real surprized if most of the members of DT weren't Yes fans. James ---------------------------------------------------- Full Service Printing * Typesetting * Graphic Design Continuous Forms * Computer Checks I M A G E S and W O R D S for more information, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 23:27:16 -0600 From: email_address_removed (ERIK) To: email_address_removed Subject: What's with that? Message-ID: Hello everyone. I will be brief...what is with the cover of WDADU? Who is that guy? Why is his nipple going to be burnt with the DT logo? I was just listening to Ytsejam, when it occured to me that the cover seemed a tinge odd...Hmmm. By the way, I can get copies of WDADU for about $20, if anyone is looking. Later and Take care, Erik UW-Madison "You can find all you need in your mind." -Dream Theater 1991 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 00:04:42 PST From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Something Interesting Message-ID: >I've heard nothing from Awake on LA Radio but, I heard a comercial for Tower >Records the other day and they were using LIE as the background music! > >Time to start shopping at Tower. > >"The spider in the window" | >"The angel in the pool" | >"The old man takes the poison" | Tom Tubbiola >"Now the widow makes the rules"| email_address_removed They play Caught in a Web sometimes on KNAC... call em and request more! CiaW rips over the album live by a mile... -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ REAL: email_address_removed + VIRTUAL: email_address_removed *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 03:26:54 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT going gold? Message-ID: email_address_removed asked: > By the way, I may be wrong here, but to whomever mentioned that I&W sold 1 mil > lion copies, I think that it was certified gold, not platinum. That's >100,000 - right? James Bako replied: >>Actually, 500,000 is gold. 1M is platinum email_address_removed replied: >>>I believe that I&W has sold about a mil worldwide and was certified gold here >>>in the states. At the aftershow party in Santa Ana, I asked John Myung if _I&W_ had gone platinum yet and he was so shocked, he practically fell over. :) He told me that the album had in fact *not* gone platinum worldwide, it wasn't even close, and it was actually still just "inching" (his word :) it's way towards gold status. I remember seeing a photo in Billboard magazine this past summer of DT receiving gold record awards for _I&W_, but I think it was because it had *shipped* gold, it hadn't actually *sold* 500,000 yet. This is a fairly common practice in the music biz (presenting artists w/gold or platinum records for copies shipped, not copies sold), from what I understand. Hope this clears things up a bit! :) Jennifer _____________________________________________ air email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 621 *************************