YTSEJAM Digest 483 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Keyboards on AWAKE by Brian Nielsen 2) LIE and betrayal by email_address_removed 3) Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist by Eric Moegling 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 482 by Michael Burstin 5) Lie1.wav by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 6) Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist by Garrett M Sanborne 7) Re: Lie1.wav by email_address_removed (Jeremy Black) 8) Dream Theater Online by Michael Burstin 9) Lie WAV by Michael Burstin 10) JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 11) A Change For the Better... by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 12) ftp.music.net address by email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) 13) I believe in Kev!! by =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRAPi5OUyEhNzAbKEo=?= 14) Dream Theater online by email_address_removed (C-man) 15) Re: JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD by Michael Bahr 16) Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist by Michael Bahr 17) Music Net FTP by Eric Moegling 18) Re: Kevin gone by email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:06:41 +0200 From: Brian Nielsen To: email_address_removed Subject: Keyboards on AWAKE Message-ID: Hi all, this is my second attempt to contribute to the discussions here, the first never made it :( Anyway, it may be hard for some of us to recover from the shocking news that Kevin has left DT. I think we can rest assured that it'll still be Kevin we hear on AWAKE. With that in mind we should be able to lighten up, and bearing no hard feelings to his replacement. I understand from other discussions that Jens Johansson know how to use his keys, so I'll welcome him right away (is he on this list ??? I think I read that somewhere...) Look at it this way: If Kevin isn't satisfyed with the musical direction of DT, it would show on their perfomance, and no one wants that (well, I don't). I'd rather see (hear) a happy member in the band (five happy members, actually). One last thing, and I think I speak for all us: Good luck in your future musical career, Kevin. We are looking forward to hear what you do. +------------------------------------------------+ | Brian Nielsen | | Department of Mathematics and Computer Science | | Aalborg University, Denmark | | | | email: email_address_removed.dk | +------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:22:39 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: LIE and betrayal Message-ID: >Well, I downloaded Lie... the complete thing... and playing through a >SB16 Pro... and I must say, I'm not too impressed... the intro was good, >the outro was good... but the rest sounds like Pantera with a progressive >touch... >Hope it's different on the album... >-The Doc Oh, I must certainly disagree. This tune kicks ass. It did take me about two listens to get used to it, but I've listened to it about forty times in two days. Sure its heavier, but its so interesting. Even if you make the comparison to Pantera, fine, Pantera only lacks because of Phil's vocals (no flames please). Labrie certainly makes this non-Pantera. This song is just ball-crushing fantastic. Mine dowloaded onto a Silicon Graphics machine, and I'm not real familiar with the hardware or the sound card (someone set it up for me after I downloaded it) but I do know that I have CD quality here. Not sub-FM as someone stated yesterday. Now all I need is to hook up a tape deck and record it. Then for those of you who can't get it, I can probably provide. Mike Burstin said he thought a new song was going to be put up every two weeks, so you might want to wait. Or maybe you don't. KAI email_address_removed I must go listen again! I meant to post this today, but forgot, so I guess now I'll do it - although I don't really feel like doing much after the news - including listening to LIE. I think the song should now be called BETRAY. sadly, (and I'm still not sure I believe it) KAI ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:15:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Moegling To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist Message-ID: Please tell me this is a crock!!! Not to insult Jens (I'm a big fan of his too!)...but Kevin is one of the main reasons I'm into DT (The keyboards are what make the band complete)...and I'd hate to see him take off (even though I;d definetly support his music regardless of DT!)...I hope it's a farce! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. email_address_removed ERIC MOEGLING: email_address_removed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:30:00 -0500 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 482 Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 01:53:44 -0700 > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Lie... > Message-ID: > > I'm slightly new to the internet, so I apologize if I sound like a complete > bumbling fool, but here goes. > Nope... not at all... A reasonable question for a newbie... > I was just wondering if it would be possible to send the Lie wave out > with the digest, or just to specific people that wanted it. I noticed a few > days back that a .GIF file was included with the digest, wouldn't it be > possible to do the same with the .WAV file? I'd love to hear it, and I don't > have FTP access, just mail. > Well, the GIF file was a very small file... The Lie WAV is a HUGE MONSTER... posting it here would flood many people's mailboxes, kill disk limits for readers, and crash many machines along the way... If anyone wants a smaller version emailed, I _might_ be able to do it... but keep in mind, even the smaller ones are nearly 4 megs, and UUENCODing adds to the file size... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Caught In A Web | | Numb from the world | | Hanging on by a thread | | Scared of the life that fights in my head | | Dream Theater Caught In A Web Awake | | release date for Dream Theater's Awake: October 4, 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:44:30 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam Subject: Lie1.wav Message-ID: Forward from email_address_removed follows. > > Hello DT fans. I found an ftp address that has the *.wav file of > the new single "Lie" off _Awake_ > > ftp.music.net /pub/music/dt/lie1.wav > > It is almost 20 megs so be forewarned. I let my machine at work > crank on it for a few hours with no results; hopefully some of you > others will have better luck. > > Oh, BTW, the address for the WWW page is > > http:\\www.music.net > > It has some neat stuff, interviews, lyrics; check it out. > > Douglas Just one stupid question-- What is the password to access "music.net"?? I have very little FTP experience. Thanks. Kevin > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > Rebellion is your pestilence > I'll never be confined > Forever you shall yield to me > ANARCHY DIVINE! -Fates Warning > oooooooooooo email_address_removed oooooooooooo > ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett M Sanborne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist Message-ID: Ok, from what someone said, this Jens guy is supposedly on this list?? If so, can he confirm this? I'd like some confirmation if possible. I find this too hard to believe. Gman *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Garrett M. Sanborne email_address_removed | | email_address_removed | | "Do what you love, the rest comes." "Huh huh .. drums are cool." | *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 13:32:22 EDT From: email_address_removed (Jeremy Black) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Lie1.wav Message-ID: use 'anonymous' for your user id and then enter your email address as your password. Jeremy ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:30:09 -0500 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: Dream Theater Online Message-ID: Hi all... this was on some of the newsboards... and it was asked that I post here... >Please post this info to ytsejam if you get a chance.. > >I'm working with the band in setting up a week of live online conferences >from September 6-9. Ideally, we're thinking of appearing three or four >nights in a row on different online services (Compuserve's Rocknet; AOL's >Cyber-Talk or Odeon; GEnie's Music Roundtable; Prodigy's Chat Area; the >IRC, others?). Before we commit to anything we'd like your input; please >let us know where you'd prefer to communicate with Dream Theater. Send >e-mail to email_address_removed and type 'Dream Theater Online' in the subject >field. > >Thanks for your help. > >C-man > >P.S. If you prefer to use IRC, please provide as many details regarding the >set-up of a 'Dream Theater' channel as possible. > >****************************************************** >Call Congress for FREE--join Working Assets Long Distance-- >the only phone company fighting for Peace, The Environment, Economic >Justice, and Human Rights; for info, e-mail: email_address_removed > >Tori Amos tour information: finger email_address_removed >Dream Theater's AWAKE is coming......preview at http://www.music.net >********************************************************************** -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Caught In A Web | | Numb from the world | | Hanging on by a thread | | Scared of the life that fights in my head | | Dream Theater Caught In A Web Awake | | release date for Dream Theater's Awake: October 4, 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:09:50 -0400 From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Lie WAV Message-ID: This again comes from the music netnews boards... > >You're going to throw up when I tell you this but anyway.....from the >>halls of "QC Breakdown": > >The upload of "Lie" doesn't include the beginning of "Shadows" it includes >the END of "Mirror"!! Sorry for the misinformation earlier...please >spread the word. In other words, the intro you liked is actually the >ending of "Mirror" > >Enjoy, -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Caught In A Web | | Numb from the world | | Hanging on by a thread | | Scared of the life that fights in my head | | Dream Theater Caught In A Web Awake | | release date for Dream Theater's Awake: October 4, 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Topic No. 10 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:36:16 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam Subject: JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD Message-ID: Forward from email_address_removed follows. Wait Wait Wait.....Has anyone bothered to CONFIRM this news of Kevin Leaving DT? The guy in Japan called Atco/eastwest and they denied it. Has anyone bothered to call the US office for atco/eastwest or their management? Look at a band like Guns N Roses.....how many bs rumors have we heard about them that have been claimed to come from "sources close to the band". I find it very hard to believe that Kevin Moore would up and leave DT to pursue " other musical ventures" when he seems to fit in DT so nicely. Tim ------------------------------ Topic No. 11 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:40:37 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam Subject: A Change For the Better... Message-ID: Forward from email_address_removed!MSAE.CAE.WISC.EDU follows. I'd just like to throw my opinion out there about the recent developments concerning Kevin Moore's depatrure from DT, and Jens Johanssen's addition to the lineup. Personally, after listening to "Lie" and thinking about the change for a few hours, I honestly think this is going to be good for all parties involved. If "Lie" is any indication, DT is moving towards a more heavy approach, (Balls and Chunk) something which I had hoped for on the new album. The addition of Jens will be a great asset to the band, and perhaps he will fit in better with this more aggressive style of music. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to slight Kevin Moore in any way; He is very talented, and I'm sure his next project will be awesome in it's own right. I am looking forward to see what sort of musical direction he heads in. Good luck Kevin, and welcome Jens! Douglas ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Rebellion is your pestilence I'll never be confined Forever you shall yield to me ANARCHY DIVINE! -Fates Warning oooooooooooo email_address_removed oooooooooooo ------------------------------ Topic No. 12 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:43:34 +0800 From: email_address_removed (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam Subject: ftp.music.net address Message-ID: Forward from email_address_removed!.FNAL.GOV follows. Does anybody know the numerical address of ftp.music.net, the namesrever that I use does not know it and I can't connect to download the lie1.wav file. Thanks in advance. Michael Lee Starr Fermi National Accelerator Lab [Note from email_address_removed: it is 165.247.1.20 ] ------------------------------ Topic No. 13 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:34:00 JST From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRAPi5OUyEhNzAbKEo=?= To: email_address_removed Subject: I believe in Kev!! Message-ID: FROM:Kaoru Kobayashi I believe in Kevin!! I only want to know truth. I still believe that Kevin is not out from DT. Please inform us that WHO told Kev's leaving. Did DT announce about it? Did Kevin make his leaving cleaer? I don't believe about it without comment of DT. And why Jens? He just started new project with his brother. I can't believe his joinning. Jason, I agree you!!! I couldn't live with DT without Kev, either!!!! *********************************************************************** * " If spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time. " * * kaoru kobayashi gch06672@niftyserve.or.jp (from Japan) * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Topic No. 14 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:29:40 -0400 From: email_address_removed (C-man) To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater online Message-ID: >Hi, all: > >I'm working with the band in setting up a week of live online conferences >from September 6-9. Ideally, we're thinking of appearing three or four >nights in a row on different online services (Compuserve's Rocknet; AOL's >Cyber-Talk or Odeon; GEnie's Music Roundtable; Prodigy's Chat Area; the >IRC, others?). Before we commit to anything we'd like your input; please >let us know where you'd prefer to communicate with Dream Theater. Send >e-mail to this account and type 'Dream Theater Online' in the subject >field. > >Thanks for your help. > >C-man > >P.S. If you prefer to use IRC, please provide as many details regarding the >set-up of a 'Dream Theater' channel as possible. ****************************************************************************** Call Congress for FREE--join Working Assets Long Distance-- the only phone company fighting for the Environment, Peace, Economic Justice, and Human Rights for details (and 90 free minutes of long distance calls): email_address_removed Tori Amos tour information: finger email_address_removed Dream Theater's AWAKE is coming.....check out http://www.music.net **************************************************************************** ** ------------------------------ Topic No. 15 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:54:54 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD Message-ID: > Wait Wait Wait.....Has anyone bothered to CONFIRM this news > of Kevin Leaving DT? The guy in Japan called Atco/eastwest The news came from DT themselves... from their front office. Haven't you wondered why we keep getting all this earaly info and songs like Lie before they get released? :) It's thanks to THEM! hehe Mike/email_address_removed/email_address_removed ------------------------------ Topic No. 16 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:59:05 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist Message-ID: > Ok, from what someone said, this Jens guy is supposedly on this list?? > If so, can he confirm this? I'd like some confirmation if possible. I > find this too hard to believe. Yes, Jens is on the list, and no, don't go poking for his email address, because if he gets mail flood, our great fortune at having a direct line to Dream Theater themselves goes bye-bye. I left it out of the FAQ and it won't be in new posts, so the way I figure it, there are only two ways to get it. One of those two is to have it given to you for no reason. :) The other? Think for a minute... Oh BTW... I don't mean to speak for DT in this matter, only for the members here on the list who don't want this connection to dry up. There are about a half dozen of us here on Ytsejam who have been rather constantly communicating about DT (and Rush) and I think I can safely say that all of us are quite excited about recent developments, though we are a bit depressed that Kevin left. Mike/email_address_removed/email_address_removed ------------------------------ Topic No. 17 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:28:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Moegling To: email_address_removed Subject: Music Net FTP Message-ID: For the dude who wanted the FTP site in #'s, here goes...165.247.1.20 If this doesn't work...then don't ask me! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. email_address_removed ERIC MOEGLING: email_address_removed email_address_removed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Topic No. 18 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 22:14:58 PDT From: email_address_removed (Zack Gemmill) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Kevin gone Message-ID: Damn. I guess this isn't a joke (like the fake Mike Portnoy posting a few months back). What worries me is that he left over "musical differences." Since those who've heard stuff from Awake say it's a lot heavier, is this the new direction the band will take? Perhaps (as is evident in a few interviews) some members of the band hate being labled as merely progressive. It seems to me that Kevin was the most "progressive" element in the band (like ELP, Yes, etc...). Since he'll be gone, will the keyboard influence start to get written out of DT? Hopefully, Jens will be able to hold his own when as they create new material. (this is not a flame on his musicianship, merely a fear that his influence won't be as strong as Kevin's was). Perhaps he could shed some light here... Well, its only a matter of time before we find out. Zach ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 483 *************************