YTSEJAM Digest 479 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 478 by "Alan J. Mallery" 2) Zebra by "Alan J. Mallery" 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 477 by "James Studnicki (HON)" 4) Re: Hotel Cal?? by email_address_removed 5) Re: Petrucci at clinic by email_address_removed 6) NOT A FLAME by email_address_removed 7) Re: Zebra by "James Studnicki (HON)" 8) Shawn Lane by "James Studnicki (HON)" 9) Re: Hotel Cal?? and Morse live by "James Studnicki (HON)" 10) DJ Question: who do I talk to? by The Reverend 11) Re: Zebra by Garrett M Sanborne ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 22:55:33 -0600 (MDT) From: "Alan J. Mallery" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 478 Message-ID: "Hey... there were a great many composers such as Bach who couldn't improvise... -The Doc" Incorrect. If you know anything about music history, then you'd know this is far from the case. In the baroque period, improvization was standard, a practice that got lost in the classical period (mozart, beethoven, etc. In fact, Beethoven was one of the first to completely write out cadenzas.) Keyboard players did not have written out parts, but instead played to 'figured bass' notation and had to basically improvize their own parts. Bach was also incredibly prolific, and could come up with lots of stuff on the spot. Alan ______________________________________________________________________________ Alan Mallery | (email_address_removed) | (insert quote here) (email_address_removed) | ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 23:00:31 -0600 (MDT) From: "Alan J. Mallery" To: email_address_removed Subject: Zebra Message-ID: Since this list also deals with other hard rock and metal groups that have progressive influences, does anyone listen to Zebra? Currently just their first studio album (with the great song "Who's Behind the Door") and live album are available on CD. The live disc is a great introduction, which has most of their best tunes along with a cover of Zep's "The Ocean". Singer/Guitar player Randy Jackson sings frequently in a Plant-like falsetto. The also use some keyboards to get some lushness which is absent from many other hard rock type groups. Just wondering if anyone else likes them... Alan ______________________________________________________________________________ Alan Mallery | (email_address_removed) | (insert quote here) (email_address_removed) | ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 22:46:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "James Studnicki (HON)" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 477 Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Ken Higginson wrote: > Lets not forget that when DT writes songs, they start by jamming or > improvising... Perhaps John Petrucci is used to playing with musiaicns > who posess greater skill than those found at a guitar clinic... Oh, please. You simply cannot imagine the caliber of players we're talking about here. NGSW is no ordinary Mom&Pop guitar clinic -- they are able to get the best musicians in the world to come and teach, and that's what they do. I chose them over summer programs offered by GIT, Berklee, AIM, and MusicTech, among others. No, blaming it on the people John was playing with is lame. Jim Studnicki email_address_removed University of South Florida Tampa, Florida, USA ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 94 00:16:11 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Hotel Cal?? Message-ID: >>Someone told me the solo to "Hotel >>California" was improvised. You mean Walsh and Felder improvised in harmony?? Now that IS god-like. Anyway, I don't think MatMiz was saying that people who improvise suck, he was just saying that it doesn't matter to him that JP can't improvise. I&W is the same album whether he knows how to improvise or doesn't. Personally, I would love to see DT branch out more live with some free-form stuff (not true improv, but still interesting). The trouble I have with players such as Steve Morse is that they are so fucking incredible live, that I can't listen to their studio stuff. Every song is ten times better live. That's not a knock on their studio stuff, just high praise of their live playing talents. Morse is always amazing live. Andy ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 94 03:46:32 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Petrucci at clinic Message-ID: James Studnicki (HON) writes: "Check out Steve Morse, Eric Johnson and (!!!) Shawn Lane." Shawn Lane IS GOD!!! If some of you don't know about him you have two choices: A. You will be drawn and quartered for your utter ignorance or B. You must scour, dig, and search for "Powers of Ten" (Warner Bros.) and it must become the start of indoctrination to the way of 'Shawn.' He KILLS!!!! 'Nuff said! StmpyJCat ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 94 08:57:49 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NOT A FLAME Message-ID: THIS IS NOT A FLAME. But..... Mr. Studnicki, Steve Morse did not write Metropolis. Al DiMeola did not write Metropolis. And Andy Timmons did not write Metropolis. Neither did any of the 15-year-olds playing Petrucci 'note for note and up to speed'. The measure of a great musician is not only who can play it, but WHO WROTE IT. As long as he (Petrucci) can blow the barn doors off, I don't care if he can noodle around over 12-bar blues. Mike ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "James Studnicki (HON)" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Zebra Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Alan J. Mallery wrote: > Since this list also deals with other hard rock and metal groups that > have progressive influences, does anyone listen to Zebra? > > Currently just their first studio album (with the great song "Who's > Behind the Door") and live album are available on CD. The live disc is a > great introduction, which has most of their best tunes along with a cover > of Zep's "The Ocean". Singer/Guitar player Randy Jackson sings > frequently in a Plant-like falsetto. The also use some keyboards to get > some lushness which is absent from many other hard rock type groups. > > Just wondering if anyone else likes them... Haven't heard them -- is this the same Randy Jackson of the one-man MIDI band fame who endorses that guitar/keyboard instrument they call The Key? I'd like to check that out. Jim Studnicki email_address_removed University of South Florida Tampa, Florida, USA ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "James Studnicki (HON)" To: email_address_removed Subject: Shawn Lane Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 email_address_removed wrote: > Shawn Lane IS GOD!!! > > If some of you don't know about him you have two choices: (stuff deleted concerning various acts of bodily torture and mind control) > 'Nuff said! > > StmpyJCat Oh boy oh boy, if you liked the original "Powers of Ten" CD then do I have a bargain for you. The lads at Warner Bros' have just re-released "Powers of Ten" with Andy Johns producing. Same songs in a different order, except it now has real drums (gee, do I sense a trend or what!?!), a lot of the keyboard parts have been changed, and Shawn has re-cut all of the solos. Sounds impossible, but his solos are better than before. Definitely check it out. Jim Studnicki email_address_removed University of South Florida Tampa, Florida, USA ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:15:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "James Studnicki (HON)" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Hotel Cal?? and Morse live Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 email_address_removed wrote: > >>Someone told me the solo to "Hotel > >>California" was improvised. > > You mean Walsh and Felder improvised in harmony?? Now that IS god-like. No, I agree that Walsh and Felder were probably not into the Vulcan mind-meld thing. More likely, on of them came up with that line while overdubbing, and they said, "Gee, that would sound great harmonized!" Or, they may have written out that particular part beforehand . . . > The trouble I have with players such as Steve Morse is that they are so > fucking incredible live, that I can't listen to their studio stuff. Every > song is ten times better live. That's not a knock on their studio stuff, just > high praise of their live playing talents. Morse is always amazing live. No shit! He lives in Ocala, Florida, about 80 miles north of me, and he plays Tampa about 5 times a year, so I get to see him quite a bit. I know exactly what you mean. Steve likes to get his solos on the first take, to capture that freshness, but sometimes on a record he's forced to use a solo that wasn't necessarily the first one, just the one that fit the best. Live, everything he plays is a first take, and combined with all of the live stage energy, you just can't beat it. Jim Studnicki email_address_removed University of South Florida Tampa, Florida, USA ------------------------------ Topic No. 10 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 14:46:54 -0500 (CDT) From: The Reverend To: email_address_removed (Dream Theater Mailing List) Subject: DJ Question: who do I talk to? Message-ID: Okay.... as some of you may know, I do a prog-rock show (Forward Progress). I'm curious as to how I'd go about getting sneak-preview shit like the lucky members of this list did. Do I contact the label? Try to track them down? Write the fan club? HELPPPP?!?!?!! Rev --- The Reverend "They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained" Fear the Information Revolution...for it has reached the hands of the strange. PGP 2.2 Public Key Block available upon request ------------------------------ Topic No. 11 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 18:55:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett M Sanborne To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Zebra Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Alan J. Mallery wrote: > Since this list also deals with other hard rock and metal groups that > have progressive influences,................ Excuse me, but DOES it? This brings up something I've been wondering about. Personally, I'd rather talk about Dream Theater. That's what the list is for, right? There are no other bands in the FAQ. Isn't there a prog-metal newsgroup or mailing list? If not, someone should make one. This list is turning into one as it seems. I realize that there's no new material from DT to discuss, but there are other things to talk about than the new Fate's Warning album and "has anyone heard of this great band?" just my 2 cents. :-) G-Man *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Garrett M. Sanborne email_address_removed | | email_address_removed | | "Do what you love, the rest comes." "Huh huh .. drums are cool." | *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 479 *************************