Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:05:50 PST From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: YTSEJAM digest 349 Contents: RE: DT vs. Rush (I LOVE PICKLES ) Re: DT vs. Rush (Aaron Lafferty ) Ytse' Jam tab pt 2 (William T Bajzek ) RE: DT vs. Rush ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" ) More Myung ("David Bell" ) Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? (Michael Bahr ) Bring back Charlie! (Jonas Peterson ) unsuscribe George Kohut (email_address_removed) Metropolis (stefan-a@dsv.su.se) Lost Address (Michael Burstin ) More DT stuff (email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig)) SiD? (email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig)) Re: Magellan (email_address_removed) Re: various from YTSE 341 (email_address_removed (Steve Mansfield)) Re: Magellan (email_address_removed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: I LOVE PICKLES Subject: RE: DT vs. Rush Augh?! poor baby! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:58:41 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Lafferty Subject: Re: DT vs. Rush On Sun, 13 Mar 1994, Scott Dayman wrote: > I thought that subscribing to YTSE JAM would give me some info on > DT, but now a flame war has erupted in saying who is better than who. > Sad to say, but I find this digest to be mostly a disappointment. > Now if I can figure out how to unsubscribe, consider me gone. > > Scott > > I must agree with Scott... I joined this group for Dream Theater discussion and info... all ive heard in the last 2 weeks is Rush vs. Dream Theater who is better... who has better technique, sound, style i honestly dont give a fuck... somehow i think the point has been missed entirely of what this group is for.... im not going to unsubscribe, but i think maybe we should go back to the original purpose... "So, so you think you can tell, heaven from hell, blue skies from pain... can you tell a green field, from a cold steel rail, a smile from a veil... Do you think you can tell?" Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 20:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek Subject: Ytse' Jam tab pt 2 I got bored today and I figured out the rest of the song. I left out some of the stuff that repeats. b=bar after drum solo: ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----------5-------7-6-6-------------5--------------------------- -----5-7-6---------7-6-6-------5-7-6-----------7-6--------------- -5-8---------8-5---5-4-4---5-8---------8-5-5-8------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----------5-------7-6-6-------------5--------------------------- -----5-7-6---------7-6-6-------5-7-6-----------7-6--------------- -5-8---------8-5---5-4-4---5-8---------8-5-5-8------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------6---6---6---6---6---6-------6-------4--------- 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--------10-8-6-8-------------------------------------------------- -9-7-10----------9-7---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ w/ wide vibrato ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ -4---4---4-2-4---4---4-5-4---4------------------------------------ -2---2---2-0-2---2---2-3-2---2------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bajzek impaler+@cmu.edu "What's a little fallout, eh?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 21:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" Subject: RE: DT vs. Rush > >I thought that subscribing to YTSE JAM would give me some info on >DT, but now a flame war has erupted in saying who is better than who. >Sad to say, but I find this digest to be mostly a disappointment. >Now if I can figure out how to unsubscribe, consider me gone.> > >Scott AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Pity party for Scott!! 1-2-3- AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Dude 9 out of 10 times this mailing list rocks, dont let one thread spoil it for you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:41:56 -0600 (CST) From: "David Bell" Subject: More Myung > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:54:41 -0500 (EST) > From: Stephen Bajzek > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 347 > > No DT song is "driven" by any particular instrument (except Wait for > Sleep)...they all blend very well. Well, that's true to some extent, but when I listen to things like the huge double-bass parts in "A Fortune in Lies" for example, I consider that part to be "driven" by the drums. Or when the whole band is following a chunky guitar as in much of "Pull Me Under," I feel like the guitar is doing the "driving". I'm just talking about the bass stepping out and asserting itself for a change, not just in brief solos. It happens every once in a while ("Take the Time," "Learning to Live") but I still don't feel like I'm getting a full sense of John Myung as a musician. I just thought of another good Myung moment: the runs underneath the first guitar solo in YtseJam. Great stuff! The problem is I can barely hear it. > This isn't Primus here. The guys in DT all complement each other. Never said it was. But if you want to hear some great band arrangements, listen to Primus. If you get beyond the "Les is the bass god" syndrome, you can hear how each instrument is usually playing off of the others, keeping a well-defined role while staying out of the way of the rest. Complementing each other doesn't mean one player should have to keep it simple while the others play complex material over the top. I think what Dream Theater needs is some shaking up in the bottom end. :-) Myung should be up to it, if he can just rescue his bass sound from the depths of the mix. It could make the music even more complex and interesting than it already is (imagine that!). I suppose this is personal preference to some extent. In general, I prefer complex counterpoint between instruments rather than straight unison or harmony. That's something I'm constantly exploring/struggling with in my music and my band. The challenge is to have all of these parts playing off of each other, and still keep the song grooving. > Try to imagine Learning to Live without that bassline. OK, I did. That kind of bass playing is certainly a step in the right direction, but you won't catch me humming along to it (not that that means anything). I still love you John, just get out from under those guitar riffs and show us what you can do! --Dave email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 22:32:01 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr Subject: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? > > I'd love to get a copy of the tape, Peart is definetly "up there" if not > the top of the drumming world, and I've never heard him solo (the only > Rush that I have is Moving Pictures). Just tell me what you need to send > it, and I'll go for it. Okay here's what I've done here... I put together a montage of Neil Peart's drum solos over the years, running about 84 minutes, that covers a lot of ground and includes a lot of gems.... a sampler: Neil's first ever solo with Rush in Pittsburgh, 8/4/74 Fly By Night tour solo "The Professor" solo from 2112 and AFTK tours, from Fresno, 11/29/76 In The Mood + Solo, from the Hemispheres tour, from Holland, 6/4/79 "Captain Braino" solo from the P.Waves tour, from St.Louis, 2/14/80 YYZ Solo from the Moving Pictures and Signals tours Red Lenses solo from the p/g and P.Windows tours, from N.Y., 9/28/83 The Rhythm Method, FULL 7:13 version from Stuttgart, Germany 5/5/88 Neil Peart's the Pieces of Eight from Modern Drummer Magazine The Rhythm Method '92 with a LOT of new stuff, from Oakland 1/31/92 Counterparts Solo '94 with even more new stuff from Phoenix 2/1/94 I am glad to offer this montage tape to all Ytsejam readers, however I am not Mother Teresa and I need to have some way of compensating for the time and money I'll be spending to make this happen for all of you. I've had about TEN emails already on it and I will try and get these out ASAP. Basically the terms are that I will either trade even over for a bootleg of Rush or DT that I do not already have (list available upon request) or for TWO blank c-90's, and we use cro2 tapes by default. EASY solution: Send me two blank cro2 c-90's with a note that you want the Neil Peart Solo Montage, and your address and so forth, and that you heard it from Ytsejam, and I'll have it on its way out to you the next day parcel post. Cheap, easy, and fast. Again this covers the Neil Peart Solo Montage tape, 84 minutes of Peart solos from 1974 to 1994. All the important solos are included. That's about all I need to mention, I think. Send tapes to: Michael P. Bahr 3383 W. Monterey St. Chandler, AZ USA 85226 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:02:27 +0100 (MET) From: Jonas Peterson Subject: Bring back Charlie! Are we the only ones who think that Charlie's voice is much more suitable for DT's music than James's? Ok Charlie didn't have the same power in his voice that James has, but at least he sounded special. He made the music sound like what we think DT should be all about, symphonic metal. When you hear James sing "Killing Hand" on LATM, you want to weep in your bed. His terrible high screams totally eliminates all the emotions that Charlie brought into the song. Another thing is his annoying vibrato, that in no way can replace Charlie's great symphonic singing. BRING BACK CHARLIE!!! ***************************************************************************** * * * In the Afterlife, will dark be bright * * will cold be warm * * will James be gone? * * * * From: John and Jonas, Gothenburg, Sweden. * * * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 09:22:54 EST From: email_address_removed Subject: unsuscribe George Kohut unsuscribe George Kohut ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:49:33 +0100 From: stefan-a@dsv.su.se Subject: Metropolis Hello all fellow DT lovers! Today a question sprang to my mind, a question that I think I haven't seen discussed or answered anywhere. Here it is: I believe the full title to the subject song is "Metropolis, part I - The Miracle and the Sleeper". Does anybody know of any other parts to this song? Maybe part II will be included on the fortcoming album? Maybe the full lyrics to Metropolis were written when recording IAW, but not all of the music and then they just put part I on that album? Well, lots of maybe's and no answers... I think it would be interesting if you could fill me in with your opinions on my thoughts. Bye for now. - Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:56:59 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin Subject: Lost Address Sorry to post this here, but the person that I was trading a copy of my Virginia Beach show for the Pittsburgh show, I lost your address. Please email me when you have a chance. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:04:43 +22304916 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) Subject: More DT stuff For any of you in the southwestern Ohio area, I was there last week and I saw more DT boots (labeled as imports, of course) than I have anywhere else. I found the Majesty Demos, Dances of Eternity, and Home Sweet Home at one store (of course, being short on cash and the fact that cool little record stores don't accept out-of-state checks, I couldn't buy any :-() I did find Queensryche's "Unplugged and Other Stories" at another store. Also, the first DT shirt I found (aside from the ones at the concert for way too much money) was in another little place in Springfield, OH called something like Dream Merchants (kinda nifty, huh?) Stacie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 10:06:10 +22304916 (CST) From: email_address_removed (Stacie Rosenzweig) Subject: SiD? Sorry to clutter the digest with this, but I know a lot of people here subscribe to Screaming in Digital. I haven't gotten mine in a few weeks, nor have I received any response from Shag when I wrote him to ask what was up. Anyone know? Stacie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:24:10 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Magellan >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 17:07:29 EST >From: email_address_removed >Subject: Re: Magellen > >Can anyone describe Magellen's sound for me? (Comparisons to DT >or Rush are okay) > Well, I am a big fan of Magellan so take my descriptions with a grain of salt. I personally don't think that Magellan has a sound that is all that similar to either Rush or Dream Theater. Their music is more keyboard oriented, and I hear influences of Yes, Kansas and probably some Rush. But, they have a more hard-edged, driving sound than either Kansas or Yes (and not as heavy sounding as Dream Theater) (IMHO). There are some definite similarities in other ways though. Magellan's music is very energetic and has cool time changes and interesting rhythms. They work dynamics into their music quite well, and their lyrics are intelligent and interesting. They impressed me from the start with their music -- it's very enjoyable but also interesting enough to remain enjoyable after many listens. I'd recommend either of their albums: "Hour of Restoration" or "Impending Ascension". They are both fairly hard to find, so let me know if you have trouble and I could point you to some mail-order places that might have them. Ranjit has Magellan's "Hour of Restoration" on tape for $2.95 if you want an inexpensive introduction to them. Just send email to him at email_address_removed and tell him you'd like that tape. He usually replies within a week. He also has Dream Theater's "Live at the Marquee" and WDADU for good prices. BTW, I talked with Wayne Gardner from Magellan a while ago and he mentioned how they admired Dream Theater's music, and that they were considering adding some more hard edge to their sound. I think that will be interesting, though i hope they don't lose their own sound which I like very much. Let me know if you have more questions. Steve *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* Steve / \ Chew / / -- And you and I reach over the sun to -- Wonderful, \\\' , / // the river. wonderful, \\\//, _/ //, -- A smile costs nothing, but most wonderful! \_-//' / //<, gives much. \ /// > \\\`__/_ you what you are. more dangerous /,)-^>> _\` \\\ -- Only through love changes come. enemies of truth (/ \\ / \\\ than lies. // _//\\\ -- Better to have loved and have lost, ((` (( then never to have loved at all. email_address_removed *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed (Steve Mansfield) Subject: Re: various from YTSE 341 > Does anyone know the title of an instrumental where Myung is playing > mostly harmonics while pettrucci is playing a soulful Satriani style solo > over it? It's beautiful, I've seen it live twice. Ahhh, that would be Moonbubbles. My favorite instrumental. There are a couple bootlegs out there with it on them. Get it while you can, as they'll never play it live again...or at least that what J.P. told me... *sigh* Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight email_address_removed | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life. Dream Theater - Learning to Live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Magellan Is the new "Impending Ascension" by Magellan available in the U.S.????????? Aaron ASILVERM@UMIAMI ------------------------------ End of Digest ************************